They couldn’t get the new parts in time. They were in a catch-22 situation... race knowing they may be on the receiving end of a protest or not race and be subjected to the F1 penalties for not fielding a car according to the commercial agreements.nevill3 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:08 pmIt was Renault that raised an objection that resulted in Haas's exclusion, probably because they had beaten them in the race and had taken 4th in the wcc standings too. Haas had been warned that their T tray was against the rules as described in a technical directive that was issued to clarify a grey area. All the teams were given until the race at Monza to comply but Haas said they needed more time but were not explicitly given permission to run the "illegal" floor but advised they could be excluded if another team decided to complain to the stewards which did indeed happen. They knew the risks but decided to roll the dice and have lost out.Clearhooter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:24 pmI just read stewards for the Italian GP have negated Grosjean & HAAS's points for the 2018. Italian GP.... Might even consider it a double DNS ? Seems a floorboard pan wasn't in compliance. I'm sure the FIA wouldn't use coercion. But I also read today that HAAS is the only team NOT to have agreed to let, who ever Force India will be, back into the fold on their own terms. Coincidence ? A suspicious mind might even read something into the Magnussen's contact. I don't mean to sound suspicious.
What would you have suggested Alonso do at the moment he goes all four wheels off? He's already entering a ninety-degree left hander and he's got quite some speed. As I'm sure your aware from watching his onboard, within half-a-second of sliding off he'd settled the car and applied hard left lock and the brakes.
Yes, everyone who doesn't like drivers ramming into other drivers and then blaming everyone but themselves is merely jealous of their money.
He lockes up, misses the apex and basically the corner all together and instead of opening up the steering he pushed his can in the path of MAG again. If it was not on purpose it was a move of a rookie. Not a skilled two times WC praised all over for his incredible racing skills. His lap was done when he locked up and he knew it. Look at Bottas in the race, first feeling of a lockup and he lets the car roll onto the slipway. No harm done.Wynters wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:41 amWhat would you have suggested Alonso do at the moment he goes all four wheels off? He's already entering a ninety-degree left hander and he's got quite some speed. As I'm sure your aware from watching his onboard, within half-a-second of sliding off he'd settled the car and applied hard left lock and the brakes.
What other options should he have taken? Go straight ahead and into Magnussen's side? Perhaps, instead of turning left, he should've turned right into oncoming traffic? Instead of braking, should he have accelerated and speared across the track? Or perhaps he should've stamped on the brakes and left his car stationary, blocking the track?
Despite many people calling for it, I'm unsure whether Maclaren have mastered 'Teleport' technology (although it might solve their race pace issues).
My favourite bit is the way that Magnusson, despite allegedly being entirely focusses on a perfectly normal qualifying lap, goes defensive in the run up to it, running onto the marbles on the wrong line specifically to bone Alonso.
I'll put a link below, but I'm sure you've already studied it in detail.
And some nice onboards in general.
You surely must be kidding....Jolle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:06 pmhe came back on track after being off with all four wheel in the path of another driver. An offence where someone like Maldonado had a penalty for.Andres125sx wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:00 pmWhat rule did he break man?
Alonso went a bit long, but since there´re two consecutive corners keeping the outside is completely viable as it´s the inside for next corner, and that´s what he did
Maldonado was off track and then accelerated into the sidepod of a car that was in front of him.
Misses the apex? Of course he 'misses the apex', Magnusson is on the apex. If Alsonso hadn't 'missed the apex' he'd be literally sitting on a Haas front wing. You can see that Alonso makes the ninety degree turn, with his car still on the track, and then he steers off the track. Why? Because he has Magnusson on the inside and if Alonso stays on the tarmac than Magnusson will steer into him. As they transition between the corners, Magnusson leaves slightly more than two tyres' width between his left front and the edge of the track and there was no guarantee he was going to leave even that sliver given his history of 'defending'.Jolle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:14 amHe lockes up, misses the apex and basically the corner all together and instead of opening up the steering he pushed his can in the path of MAG again. If it was not on purpose it was a move of a rookie. Not a skilled two times WC praised all over for his incredible racing skills. His lap was done when he locked up and he knew it. Look at Bottas in the race, first feeling of a lockup and he lets the car roll onto the slipway. No harm done.
langedweil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:43 amNever read the term ‘petulant’ as much as in this thread. Sad, cuz to me this forum is about a bunch of well educated people with tons of insight.
Anyway, personally I’m all up for more wheel-banging-road-rage racing instead of a bunch of nursing robots without any hunger for being the hero of the day .. it’s hardcore racing, no hoolahoop-contest.
But hey, it’s just my opinion ..
Let's be very clear, I said obstinate.
It also requires a lot less skill!