It's not the "Mercedes way". Just because Ferrari optimised their car by going longer doesn't mean they have opted for Mercedes aero approach and changed their philosophy. They haven't. The Ferrari is still a very different car, with different characteristics, aka, different strengths.Restomaniac wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 17:19Ferrari seemed to have decided that the Mercedes way is best.
A longer wheelbase against a shorter wheelbase on a tight twisty track favours the shorter wheelbase almost every time.Phil wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 18:19It's not the "Mercedes way". Just because Ferrari optimised their car by going longer doesn't mean they have opted for Mercedes aero approach and changed their philosophy. They haven't. The Ferrari is still a very different car, with different characteristics, aka, different strengths.Restomaniac wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 17:19Ferrari seemed to have decided that the Mercedes way is best.
On a bumpy street track such as Monaco and Singapore, the biggest differentiator isn't the length of the car, but the amount of rake and spring of the car (aka traction).
Hungary still has 2 proper straights, which was more than enough for ferrari to gain something like 6-7 tenths on average in that sector. I guess that's also the reason Verstappen is saying they will still lose significant amount on the engine side even in singapore.
Well, prob in Mercedes case they won’t go for pole because they think Ferrari will beat them on pace anyway so they go for a less compromised race setup.GrandAxe wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 23:55Merc and Ferrari tyre choices are really interesting. Merc being among the most lavish on the softs and having the fewest hypersofts;, while Ferrari is the opposite, being among the group with the fewest softs and lavish with the hypersofts.
It would seem that Ferrari either believes it can do a better job at conserving the hypersofts (assuming a dry weekend) ... Or they are going banzai for pole position.
Mercs choices seem to hint that they believe they can switch the softs and ultra's on pretty quickly and are leaving options open for a one stopper with hypersoft > soft or hypersoft > ultrasoft.
i dunno, that red bull looked a handful just about everywhere comparatively speaking. Kimi definitely already had a big margin by t1, but it's not like Danny made up any ground in the twisty bits.Juzh wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 22:57Hungary still has 2 proper straights, which was more than enough for ferrari to gain something like 6-7 tenths on average in that sector. I guess that's also the reason Verstappen is saying they will still lose significant amount on the engine side even in singapore.
https://streamable.com/02gmr
The difference is quite insane actually.
Kimi was helped by the slipsteam before T1. Usually RB is about 10kph lower top-speed-wise. 19kph is just too much. Slipstream difinitely played a role there.Juzh wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 22:57Hungary still has 2 proper straights, which was more than enough for ferrari to gain something like 6-7 tenths on average in that sector. I guess that's also the reason Verstappen is saying they will still lose significant amount on the engine side even in singapore.
https://streamable.com/02gmr
The difference is quite insane actually.
there was maybe a few seconds of slipstream for kimi in this lap and it was well over before any kind of top speed was achieved. And this kind of difference was present on all fast laps, not just this one.yelistener wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 08:39Kimi was helped by the slipsteam before T1. Usually RB is about 10kph lower top-speed-wise. 19kph is just too much. Slipstream difinitely played a role there.Juzh wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 22:57Hungary still has 2 proper straights, which was more than enough for ferrari to gain something like 6-7 tenths on average in that sector. I guess that's also the reason Verstappen is saying they will still lose significant amount on the engine side even in singapore.
https://streamable.com/02gmr
The difference is quite insane actually.
I did some search and I think you're right. 2018 speed trap Lewis and Kimi both were clocked 317km/h while last year both 311. A rare case that 2018 is higher. But RB stayed the same, 308 in 2017 & 2018.Juzh wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 08:56there was maybe a few seconds of slipstream for kimi in this lap and it was well over before any kind of top speed was achieved. And this kind of difference was present on all fast laps, not just this one.yelistener wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 08:39Kimi was helped by the slipsteam before T1. Usually RB is about 10kph lower top-speed-wise. 19kph is just too much. Slipstream difinitely played a role there.Juzh wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 22:57
Hungary still has 2 proper straights, which was more than enough for ferrari to gain something like 6-7 tenths on average in that sector. I guess that's also the reason Verstappen is saying they will still lose significant amount on the engine side even in singapore.
https://streamable.com/02gmr
The difference is quite insane actually.