2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by Mattchu » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:15 pm

Anyone think either Mercedes or Ferrari will try and get through qualy 2 with the Soft trye? The delta between the Soft and Super Soft doesn`t seem as high as say down to the Ultra or Hyper. Start on the Soft, do a reasonably long stint on them when the tanks are full, then switch to the SS for the last X amount of laps...

Can`t see why not if the pace advantage is there to comfortably get through! I thought we`d see this more often.

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by NL_Fer » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:50 am

Suzuka is a very technical track. Cars needs much aero, power and balance. I suspect the top teams to be considerable faster than the rest. But those high speed corners like 130r eat tyres and you need grip for the other parts of the track. Not sure of this years tyres can last a one stop strategy.

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by PlatinumZealot » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:45 am

Mattchu wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:15 pm
Anyone think either Mercedes or Ferrari will try and get through qualy 2 with the Soft trye? The delta between the Soft and Super Soft doesn`t seem as high as say down to the Ultra or Hyper. Start on the Soft, do a reasonably long stint on them when the tanks are full, then switch to the SS for the last X amount of laps...

Can`t see why not if the pace advantage is there to comfortably get through! I thought we`d see this more often.
I say they would do Q2 on supersofts. It is a very good choice to start the race on, because track position is king here, an shorter first stint gives you the chance to undercut others before the field spreads out.
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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by siskue2005 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am

GrandAxe wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:12 am
F1NAC wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:58 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:43 am
Ferrari must have gambled on rain coming down and so negating their extreme tyre choice. They will be in all kinds of trouble if it doesn't rain.
Judging by their recent pace in wet, they will be in trouble anyways
You never can tell with Vettel, he has put in some decent wet times in the past (notably with Toro Rosso), his problems this year only seem to stem from ebbing confidence against an unrelenting competitor.
Kimi on the other hand has always been a dud in the wet, so his case is sealed.

Of course, all of the above will only be useful if it rains.
Other than monza 2008, which other decent race has he pulled off in wet?
Nobody is saying he is poor in wet, just that he is not as good as Schumacher, senna or Lewis in wet

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by F1NAC » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:29 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:12 am
F1NAC wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:58 am


Judging by their recent pace in wet, they will be in trouble anyways
You never can tell with Vettel, he has put in some decent wet times in the past (notably with Toro Rosso), his problems this year only seem to stem from ebbing confidence against an unrelenting competitor.
Kimi on the other hand has always been a dud in the wet, so his case is sealed.

Of course, all of the above will only be useful if it rains.
Other than monza 2008, which other decent race has he pulled off in wet?
Nobody is saying he is poor in wet, just that he is not as good as Schumacher, senna or Lewis in wet
He was solid in every rain race till Ferrari era?

Ferrari just isnt the car to be in when it is raining

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by zac510 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:35 am

Typhoon looks to be passing to the west on Saturday afternoon and should be well out of the way by Sunday, leaving glorious sunny weather in its wake :)

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by GrandAxe » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:34 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:12 am
F1NAC wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:58 am


Judging by their recent pace in wet, they will be in trouble anyways
You never can tell with Vettel, he has put in some decent wet times in the past (notably with Toro Rosso), his problems this year only seem to stem from ebbing confidence against an unrelenting competitor.
Kimi on the other hand has always been a dud in the wet, so his case is sealed.

Of course, all of the above will only be useful if it rains.
Other than monza 2008, which other decent race has he pulled off in wet?
Nobody is saying he is poor in wet, just that he is not as good as Schumacher, senna or Lewis in wet
Lewis is better in the wet, but it doesn't take away from Vettel who can be quite decent. Here's a video from their F3 times that shows both at their best in the rain, Lewis comes tops eventually, but Vettel puts in an excellent display:


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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by Big Tea » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:43 am

Lewis seems to have an edge before they switch to wets or inters.
He seems able to to balance the car better and get a little more running before a change is 100% must.
Max is the same
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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by siskue2005 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:25 pm

GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:34 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:12 am


You never can tell with Vettel, he has put in some decent wet times in the past (notably with Toro Rosso), his problems this year only seem to stem from ebbing confidence against an unrelenting competitor.
Kimi on the other hand has always been a dud in the wet, so his case is sealed.

Of course, all of the above will only be useful if it rains.
Other than monza 2008, which other decent race has he pulled off in wet?
Nobody is saying he is poor in wet, just that he is not as good as Schumacher, senna or Lewis in wet
Lewis is better in the wet, but it doesn't take away from Vettel who can be quite decent. Here's a video from their F3 times that shows both at their best in the rain, Lewis comes tops eventually, but Vettel puts in an excellent display:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDkK8a4jHZ8
did u even read what i wrote?

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by siskue2005 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:25 pm

F1NAC wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:29 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:12 am


You never can tell with Vettel, he has put in some decent wet times in the past (notably with Toro Rosso), his problems this year only seem to stem from ebbing confidence against an unrelenting competitor.
Kimi on the other hand has always been a dud in the wet, so his case is sealed.

Of course, all of the above will only be useful if it rains.
Other than monza 2008, which other decent race has he pulled off in wet?
Nobody is saying he is poor in wet, just that he is not as good as Schumacher, senna or Lewis in wet
He was solid in every rain race till Ferrari era?

Ferrari just isnt the car to be in when it is raining
please enlighten us

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by GrandAxe » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:25 pm
GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:34 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am


Other than monza 2008, which other decent race has he pulled off in wet?
Nobody is saying he is poor in wet, just that he is not as good as Schumacher, senna or Lewis in wet
Lewis is better in the wet, but it doesn't take away from Vettel who can be quite decent. Here's a video from their F3 times that shows both at their best in the rain, Lewis comes tops eventually, but Vettel puts in an excellent display:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDkK8a4jHZ8
did u even read what i wrote?
If you read my original post again, you would find that you are actually arguing with yourself.

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by siskue2005 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:49 pm

GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:25 pm
GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:34 am


Lewis is better in the wet, but it doesn't take away from Vettel who can be quite decent. Here's a video from their F3 times that shows both at their best in the rain, Lewis comes tops eventually, but Vettel puts in an excellent display:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDkK8a4jHZ8
did u even read what i wrote?
If you read my original post again, you would find that you are actually arguing with yourself.
no, u mentioned about monza 2008, i asked what other race in wet did he have like that

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by GrandAxe » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:15 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:49 pm
GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:25 pm


did u even read what i wrote?
If you read my original post again, you would find that you are actually arguing with yourself.
no, u mentioned about monza 2008, i asked what other race in wet did he have like that
Just to be particular, I mentioned Toro Rosso, not Monza.
Give it up mate, Vettel might not be as good as Lewis in the wet, but he can be handy. He is really impressive in the video I posted, isn't he?

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by siskue2005 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:39 pm

GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:15 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:49 pm
GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm


If you read my original post again, you would find that you are actually arguing with yourself.
no, u mentioned about monza 2008, i asked what other race in wet did he have like that
Just to be particular, I mentioned Toro Rosso, not Monza.
Give it up mate, Vettel might not be as good as Lewis in the wet, but he can be handy.
why cant u guys answer simple question? what other noticable wet race did he excel?
He is really impressive in the video I posted, isn't he?
what this video?
All i see is Vettel getting stalked by Lewis all through the laps and finally overtaking him in Equal Cars! :?

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Re: 2018 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, 5-7 October

Post by GrandAxe » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:57 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:39 pm
GrandAxe wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:15 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:49 pm


no, u mentioned about monza 2008, i asked what other race in wet did he have like that
Just to be particular, I mentioned Toro Rosso, not Monza.
Give it up mate, Vettel might not be as good as Lewis in the wet, but he can be handy.
why cant u guys answer simple question? what other noticable wet race did he excel?
He is really impressive in the video I posted, isn't he?
what this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDkK8a4jHZ8
All i see is Vettel getting stalked by Lewis all through the laps and finally overtaking him in Equal Cars! :?
Not many drivers can do what Vettel did in that video. Your arguments are neither here nor there, they just don't address anything I've said. What exactly is your point?