2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Juzh » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:12 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:01 am
Juzh wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:57 am
Shader wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:54 am

Oh really, like we don't know those basics here on the forum. Vettel was not faster when he got in front, nothing changed, that there is the problem.
Leclerc was in no position to attack vettel when they got switched, unlike vettel who was at times at ~0.2s range at the end of straights. Later in the race leclerc couldn't beat vettel's fastest lap with 8 laps less fuel.
He was 1.02 sec to 1.2 sec behind Vettel for more than 5 laps
Leclerc had a greabox issue later in the race
There was no issue, unless you know more than ferrari.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Juzh » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:13 am

Shader wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:03 am
Juzh wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:57 am
Shader wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:54 am

Oh really, like we don't know those basics here on the forum. Vettel was not faster when he got in front, nothing changed, that there is the problem.
Leclerc was in no position to attack vettel when they got switched, unlike vettel who was at times at ~0.2s range at the end of straights. Later in the race leclerc couldn't beat vettel's fastest lap with 8 laps less fuel.
Charles had to make peace that his own team scapegoated him and what, what is there to drive for when your teams hold you back, for 3 races now, and today worse than ever? He let Vettel in front, Vettel was not faster then, and gap to Bottas even increased? Those are facts, if you don't like them, go to that "imaginary championship" thread or whatever it's called.
breath breath

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Restomaniac » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:17 am

Let’s put this in context.

Ferrari torpedoed their number 2 for their number 1.

In the same race.

Mercedes almost gave their number 2 an undercut on their number 1. To the clear annoyance of that same number 1.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:19 am

Juzh wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:12 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:01 am
Juzh wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:57 am

Leclerc was in no position to attack vettel when they got switched, unlike vettel who was at times at ~0.2s range at the end of straights. Later in the race leclerc couldn't beat vettel's fastest lap with 8 laps less fuel.
He was 1.02 sec to 1.2 sec behind Vettel for more than 5 laps
Leclerc had a greabox issue later in the race
There was no issue, unless you know more than ferrari.
it was broadcasted on tv.... and after few laps Ferrari came back on and said the issue is ok now

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by GrandAxe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:21 am

Bottas kept talking some rubbish about the paint strip on the start line fouling his getaway.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by GPR -A » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:22 am

Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:17 am
Let’s put this in context.

Ferrari torpedoed their number 2 for their number 1.

In the same race.

Mercedes almost gave their number 2 an undercut on their number 1. To the clear annoyance of that same number 1.
And a double stack, where it was hardly required, while they clearly knew that their lead driver didn't even have a new set of Mediums, whereas the second driver had one!!! Amazing.
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by GrandAxe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:23 am

Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:57 am
zeph wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:59 am
Vettel's stache makes me uncomfortable...
So True :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's to scare naughty children. :lol:

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Steven » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:25 am

Would you guys calm down please?

Ferrari's Mattia Binotto noted they wanted to give Vettel a chance, as it was clear the Mercedes were running away from it with Leclerc in third.

Although it may look like scapegoating for the fans, there is a point to make for Ferrari. The problem is however that Red Bull forced their hand, and they had no option anymore when Verstappen made his first stop.

As Ted Kravitz said it properly to Horner: "You take pride in being a disruptor among the front runners, and you certainly did that today".

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by gandharva » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:27 am

Steven wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:25 am
Would you guys calm down please?

Ferrari's Mattia Binotto noted they wanted to give Vettel a chance, as it was clear the Mercedes were running away from it with Leclerc in third.
It's not so much about letting Vettel trough (a dick move anyway as their pace was nearly identical), but much more about letting Leclerc out for another 3 laps where he lost nearly 3 seconds per lap. That was the real bummer and it was not necessary at all.
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Restomaniac » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:28 am

GPR -A wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:22 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:17 am
Let’s put this in context.

Ferrari torpedoed their number 2 for their number 1.

In the same race.

Mercedes almost gave their number 2 an undercut on their number 1. To the clear annoyance of that same number 1.
And a double stack, where it was hardly required, while they clearly knew that their lead driver didn't even have a new set of Mediums, whereas the second driver had one!!! Amazing.
Indeed!

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Steven » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:28 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:19 am
Juzh wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:12 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:01 am

He was 1.02 sec to 1.2 sec behind Vettel for more than 5 laps
Leclerc had a greabox issue later in the race
There was no issue, unless you know more than ferrari.
it was broadcasted on tv.... and after few laps Ferrari came back on and said the issue is ok now
To be entirely correct: Leclerc felt there was an issue. Ferrari replied a lap later that the data looked ok. So either it was resolved in the meantime (by intervention or not), or there was no issue.

Stop nibbling like (my) toddlers.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:29 am

GPR -A wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:22 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:17 am
Let’s put this in context.

Ferrari torpedoed their number 2 for their number 1.

In the same race.

Mercedes almost gave their number 2 an undercut on their number 1. To the clear annoyance of that same number 1.
And a double stack, where it was hardly required, while they clearly knew that their lead driver didn't even have a new set of Mediums, whereas the second driver had one!!! Amazing.
they did that to be fair to two drivers, and it was the best option

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Restomaniac » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:32 am

Steven wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:25 am
Would you guys calm down please?

Ferrari's Mattia Binotto noted they wanted to give Vettel a chance, as it was clear the Mercedes were running away from it with Leclerc in third.

Although it may look like scapegoating for the fans, there is a point to make for Ferrari. The problem is however that Red Bull forced their hand, and they had no option anymore when Verstappen made his first stop.

As Ted Kravitz said it properly to Horner: "You take pride in being a disruptor among the front runners, and you certainly did that today".
I’m cool.

I’ve consistently stated that I hate team orders.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by GPR -A » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:35 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:29 am
GPR -A wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:22 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:17 am
Let’s put this in context.

Ferrari torpedoed their number 2 for their number 1.

In the same race.

Mercedes almost gave their number 2 an undercut on their number 1. To the clear annoyance of that same number 1.
And a double stack, where it was hardly required, while they clearly knew that their lead driver didn't even have a new set of Mediums, whereas the second driver had one!!! Amazing.
they did that to be fair to two drivers, and it was the best option
All along, Mercedes' rules of engagement has been that, the lead driver gets to pit first and gets the most optimum strategy. There have been instances where (and it's mostly not Lewis) the second driver got the first pit stop as there was genuine and inherent danger of losing second place. Here, the double stack was definitely not required .

I remember 2016 Austria when initially Lewis was put on one stop and then for no reason, it was changed to two stop and despite having managed the race lead comfortably, Lewis lost the lead to Nico due that ridiculously stupid strategy move. So, Mercedes has this habit of shooting in their own foot by going for things kind of stupid strategies for the sake of being OVERTLY fair.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Restomaniac » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:42 am

GPR -A wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:35 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:29 am
GPR -A wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:22 am
And a double stack, where it was hardly required, while they clearly knew that their lead driver didn't even have a new set of Mediums, whereas the second driver had one!!! Amazing.
they did that to be fair to two drivers, and it was the best option
All along, Mercedes' rules of engagement has been that, the lead driver gets to pit first and gets the most optimum strategy. There have been instances where (and it's mostly not Lewis) the second driver got the first pit stop as there was genuine and inherent danger of losing second place. Here, the double stack was definitely not required .

I remember 2016 Austria when initially Lewis was put on one stop and then for no reason, it was changed to two stop and despite having managed the race lead comfortably, Lewis lost the lead to Nico due that ridiculously stupid strategy move. So, Mercedes has this habit of shooting in their own foot by going for things kind of stupid strategies for the sake of being OVERTLY fair.
One cannot fail to see why Hamilton was annoyed.

You lay the ground work and pull a nice gap. Then after the pits you have a mirror full of your team mate when you were supposed to get the better pit strategy.