2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

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langedweil
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by langedweil » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:22 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:17 am
WaikeCU wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:10 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:49 pm


Yes, except Lewis's team mate is allowed to race him and not contractually obliged to pull over...
Let's wait for that. :mrgreen:
Er, you have watched this season so far, yes? Lewis's team mate won the first race. Wasn't required to step aside and let him though. So that'll be that covered then. Moving on. :roll:
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by foxmulder_ms » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:36 pm

langedweil wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:22 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:17 am
WaikeCU wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:10 pm


Let's wait for that. :mrgreen:
Er, you have watched this season so far, yes? Lewis's team mate won the first race. Wasn't required to step aside and let him though. So that'll be that covered then. Moving on. :roll:
"Valterri, James here .." was already in Russia last year.
Ferrari is the KING of the team order so please dont go there.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Just_a_fan » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:47 pm

langedweil wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:22 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:17 am
WaikeCU wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:10 pm


Let's wait for that. :mrgreen:
Er, you have watched this season so far, yes? Lewis's team mate won the first race. Wasn't required to step aside and let him though. So that'll be that covered then. Moving on. :roll:
"Valterri, James here .." was already in Russia last year.
Hungary: swapped back to let Bottas finish ahead. #-o
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Partymood » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:13 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:49 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:33 pm
It is that the Lewis Mercedes dynasty has really turned like the Michael Ferrari one?
Yes, except Lewis's team mate is allowed to race him and not contractually obliged to pull over...
:lol:

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by saviour stivala » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:50 am

Partymood wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:13 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:49 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:33 pm
It is that the Lewis Mercedes dynasty has really turned like the Michael Ferrari one?
Yes, except Lewis's team mate is allowed to race him and not contractually obliged to pull over...
:lol:
Yes, that's apart from when his team mate is asked to let him past or hold stations.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by ds.raikkonen » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:24 am

I hope Leclerc does become a rebel at times (like Verstappen, Hamilton and Vettel) and simply decline to pull over for Vettel. He is too polite for this sport which require brash talents like Verstappen to win races.
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by sAx » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:12 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:11 pm
sAx wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:22 pm


Not as unusual as you suggest. I remember the then F2 Champ Dr. Jonathan Palmer taking on a debt of £70,000 to get into F1 ('82/'83), which seemed to be crazy at the time. The only difference is he did not talk about it all that much. Looking back from where he is now, probably the best investment he ever made!
It's still unusual when one considers how many drivers there are and how many funded themselves. Most have a rich daddy (Stroll) or a national company (any number) behind them. The lucky ones get under the wing of a team early on e.g. Hamilton.

Today, I doubt any driver could self fund the rise to F1 unless they were already ridiculously wealthy.
... e.g. Vettel, Verstappen (Jos & Max), Coulthard, Herbert, Alguersuari, Chandhok, Buemi, Salo, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Villeneuve (Jacques), Bianchi, Schumacher (Michael, Mick and Ralph ), Leclerc, Klien, Kyvat, Riccardo, Liuzzi, Ghasly, Hartley, Sainz, Vergne, Albon, Ocon, Wehrlein, Magnussen (Jan and Kevin), Frenzen, Andretti, Rosberg, di Resta, McNish.....just off the top of my head etc. etc. At least try to be consistent if you insist on using Hamilton as an example of lucky!
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Jolle » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:13 am

sAx wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:12 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:11 pm
sAx wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:22 pm


Not as unusual as you suggest. I remember the then F2 Champ Dr. Jonathan Palmer taking on a debt of £70,000 to get into F1 ('82/'83), which seemed to be crazy at the time. The only difference is he did not talk about it all that much. Looking back from where he is now, probably the best investment he ever made!
It's still unusual when one considers how many drivers there are and how many funded themselves. Most have a rich daddy (Stroll) or a national company (any number) behind them. The lucky ones get under the wing of a team early on e.g. Hamilton.

Today, I doubt any driver could self fund the rise to F1 unless they were already ridiculously wealthy.
... e.g. Vettel, Verstappen, Coulthard, Herbert, Alguersuari, Chandhok, Buemi, Salo, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Villeneuve (Jacques), Bianchi, Schumacher (Michael, Mick and Ralph ), Leclerc, Klien, Kyvat, Riccardo, Liuzzi, Ghasly, Hartley, Sainz, Vergne, Albon, Ocon, Wehrlein, Magnussen (Jan and Kevin), Frenzen, Andretti, Rosberg, di Resta, McNish.....just off the top of my head etc. etc. At least try to be consistent if you insist on using Hamilton as an example of lucky!
Plus, doctor Palmer had something to fall back on. If his career would fail, being a GP would earn him enough money to clear himself of debt quite soon. Mansell on the other hand...

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by sAx » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:52 pm

Jolle wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:13 am
sAx wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:12 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:11 pm


It's still unusual when one considers how many drivers there are and how many funded themselves. Most have a rich daddy (Stroll) or a national company (any number) behind them. The lucky ones get under the wing of a team early on e.g. Hamilton.

Today, I doubt any driver could self fund the rise to F1 unless they were already ridiculously wealthy.
... e.g. Vettel, Verstappen, Coulthard, Herbert, Alguersuari, Chandhok, Buemi, Salo, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Villeneuve (Jacques), Bianchi, Schumacher (Michael, Mick and Ralph ), Leclerc, Klien, Kyvat, Riccardo, Liuzzi, Ghasly, Hartley, Sainz, Vergne, Albon, Ocon, Wehrlein, Magnussen (Jan and Kevin), Frenzen, Andretti, Rosberg, di Resta, McNish.....just off the top of my head etc. etc. At least try to be consistent if you insist on using Hamilton as an example of lucky!
Plus, doctor Palmer had something to fall back on. If his career would fail, being a GP would earn him enough money to clear himself of debt quite soon. Mansell on the other hand...
Can't see that remortgaging a house in Hall Green in ~1979/80, would be worse than taking a £70,000 debt in 82/83! Mansell on the other hand..also had his engineering qualification to fall back on!! However back on point, there are very few drivers who made it into F1 without any backing from wealthy benefactors; the likes of Honda Ford, Ferrari, Benetton, Mercedes Benz, Camel, Marlboro, John Player, Gitanes, Renault, BAT, Red Bull, etc etc etc.
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Just_a_fan » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:34 pm

It's good to see after all that, that you agree with me sAx. Most/nearly all are not self-funded. The likes of Mansell are/were unusual.
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by sAx » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:02 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:34 pm
It's good to see after all that, that you agree with me sAx. Most/nearly all are not self-funded. The likes of Mansell are/were unusual.
Really? I thought what we don't agree was the use of Hamilton as the lucky F1 outlier! Mansell's remortgage of a 2-bed flat (apartment) in Hall Green, contributed to maintaining his F3 presence but not a great deal beyond that!
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