2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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Re: 2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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DutchDopey wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:32 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:37 am
DutchDopey wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:59 am

There was no other car on the racing line he took and was committed to. There was another car trying to get on that racing line.
Racing line is different if there's one car or if there are two in parallel mate, Max put his car parallel, and then take the racing line for one car as if Lecrerc will evaporate magically.

Same as Lecrerc respect Max line NOT going to the inner kerb at the apex, Max should have done the same at the outer kerb. But he didn't. And he could, it's exactly what he did on previous lap at that same corner, so not asking for anything weird, only for what he had already done just one lap ago.

But it's easier to pass if you push your rival out of track obviously, so he took the quick and easy way
A racing line is not different because someone is driving parallel, it has absolutely nothing to do with that. Come on, this is basic stuff.
yes and it is also basic stuff that you cant use the full width when a car is alongside you no matter where the racing line goes
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Did anybody yet mentioned the war?

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izzy wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:11 pm
Only people who are losing want to have the thread closed 😛😁
haha bang on. then they will deny they are losing and pretend it doesn't bother them :wink:
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the only way to settle it is to have a race around the A1 ring on F1 2019.
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So much discussion and I still appear not to understand the ruling.

If it’s a rule that you need to give at least a car’s width space when driving next to another car, then why didn’t this apply to this very incident?

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dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:55 pm
Can the moderators please close this thread it's completely out of hand!
This is the only out-of-hand post I've read across several pages. Reading threads is voluntary. You don't have to read nor react to posts you dislike. Internet forums cannot guarantee your satisfaction. Calling for the mods to end a discussion you don't like is off-topic whining.

The Canada thread was out of hand. But this one isn't.

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roon wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:57 pm
dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:55 pm
Can the moderators please close this thread it's completely out of hand!
This is the only out-of-hand post I've read across several pages. Reading threads is voluntary. You don't have to read nor react to posts you dislike. Internet forums cannot guarantee your satisfaction. Calling for the mods to end a discussion you don't like is off-topic whining.

The Canada thread was out of hand. But this one isn't.
I'd suggest you don't know what you are talking about. Posts where removed and Hollus responded less than an hour ago for a reason!
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Sieper wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:26 pm
It are always the same people still 1,5 week after a race going out of their way to make a point about Verstappen. Never any positivity about anything said driver may have done during that race, none of that. Just always going out of their way to only speak about points they feel are bad.
Care to consider why it always ends like this?

Let’s analyse what's actually happened.

RB was incredible on RB ring. Max+RB was by far the fastest pair, and despite that huge mistake at start, he was contesting for the win.
On lap 68 he was out raced.
But he still had plenty of laps and pace advantage to make it happen.
Yet, on lap 69 his EGO wouldn't allow to be outraced again, so he decided to risk everything and to crash in order to save his ego.
And then stewards did their usual thing, when max is considered, like they are doing him a favour.

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Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:29 pm
So when some car get parallel to the car in front at a straight, but at the outside, the car in front can, before turning in, go to the outer kerb and push the car trying to pass out of track, because he´s only using the normal racing line, he didn´t do anything wrong, right?
Do you consider going to the outer kerb before turning in the racing line ? I really have a hard time believing that these arguments are serious....
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NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:43 pm
DutchDopey wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:32 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:37 am

Racing line is different if there's one car or if there are two in parallel mate, Max put his car parallel, and then take the racing line for one car as if Lecrerc will evaporate magically.

Same as Lecrerc respect Max line NOT going to the inner kerb at the apex, Max should have done the same at the outer kerb. But he didn't. And he could, it's exactly what he did on previous lap at that same corner, so not asking for anything weird, only for what he had already done just one lap ago.

But it's easier to pass if you push your rival out of track obviously, so he took the quick and easy way
A racing line is not different because someone is driving parallel, it has absolutely nothing to do with that. Come on, this is basic stuff.
yes and it is also basic stuff that you cant use the full width when a car is alongside you no matter where the racing line goes
Well at least you read the wiki page. But because I don't want this thread all with repeating arguments I suggest you read again Phil's elaborate reaction in which he explains how committing to a racing line works. This is the reasoning for drivers to back down when these situations occur.

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sosic2121 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:13 pm

Yet, on lap 69 his EGO wouldn't allow to be outraced again, so he decided to risk everything and to crash in order to save his ego.
And then stewards did their usual thing, when max is considered, like they are doing him a favour.
As I said way back - if the protagonists had been reversed, or someone other than Max was involved, this thread would have been quiet within a day or two of the race finishing. Lots of people hating on Max and using this incident to do so. It's quite funny to watch. =D> :lol: :lol:
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sosic2121 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:13 pm
Sieper wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:26 pm
It are always the same people still 1,5 week after a race going out of their way to make a point about Verstappen. Never any positivity about anything said driver may have done during that race, none of that. Just always going out of their way to only speak about points they feel are bad.
Care to consider why it always ends like this?

Let’s analyse what's actually happened.

RB was incredible on RB ring. Max+RB was by far the fastest pair, and despite that huge mistake at start, he was contesting for the win.
On lap 68 he was out raced.
But he still had plenty of laps and pace advantage to make it happen.
Yet, on lap 69 his EGO wouldn't allow to be outraced again, so he decided to risk everything and to crash in order to save his ego.
And then stewards did their usual thing, when max is considered, like they are doing him a favour.
Plenty of Laps? Care to elaborate?
Max did what he had to do. Force a pass because he was running out of laps, and the way he did it was textbook material. On the racing line, braking a Tiny bit later and by doing so did Just enough to make sure Charles couldnt repeat what he did the lap before.
Charles could avoid the collision but chose not to. And by doing so trying to play the blamegame. The stewards luckily didn't Fell for it.
That, my Friends is racing, or more specifically outracing oneanother.

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NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:46 pm
izzy wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:11 pm
Only people who are losing want to have the thread closed 😛😁
haha bang on. then they will deny they are losing and pretend it doesn't bother them :wink:
There is no winning or losing. In fact, the race has already happened and the results are in. Any winning or losing has already taken place. In fact, that kind of attitude shows through and it really is not constructive, to even your own goals for participating here.

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Re: 2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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DutchDopey wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:30 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:29 pm
So when some car get parallel to the car in front at a straight, but at the outside, the car in front can, before turning in, go to the outer kerb and push the car trying to pass out of track, because he´s only using the normal racing line, he didn´t do anything wrong, right?
Do you consider going to the outer kerb before turning in the racing line ? I really have a hard time believing that these arguments are serious....
I must be missing something if you get surprised when stating the normal racing line goes from outer kerb at the start of the turn, to the inner kerb at the apex, and finally to the outer kerb again at the exit of the corner.

While there´s no other car alongside obviously... or not so obvious since some people (you!) are defending the normal racing line is ok even if there´s a car on it :o

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Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:02 pm
DutchDopey wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:30 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:29 pm
So when some car get parallel to the car in front at a straight, but at the outside, the car in front can, before turning in, go to the outer kerb and push the car trying to pass out of track, because he´s only using the normal racing line, he didn´t do anything wrong, right?
Do you consider going to the outer kerb before turning in the racing line ? I really have a hard time believing that these arguments are serious....
I must be missing something if you get surprised when stating the normal racing line goes from outer kerb at the start of the turn, to the inner kerb at the apex, and finally to the outer kerb again at the exit of the corner.

While there´s no other car alongside obviously... or not so obvious since some people (you!) are defending the normal racing line is ok even if there´s a car on it :o
Deliberate, Max already committed to the racing line by breaking later. Once he was in the corner he was committed. Going to the outside kerb before turning in while there is a car is pushing off deliberate. This is exactly the difference with the situation between Rosberg and Hamilton.