yelistener wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:08 pm
jz11 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:50 am
and P.S. to the edit: if Vettel had a bit more cool, he wouldn't have made the move, instead complain that Max went off track to complete the overtake, and yes, going off track WAS part of the overtake, Max missed his turn in and went wide and off the track because he needed the extra speed to get past Vettel, so it is absolutely comical to me when some here still defend Max saying something along the lines - oh, but was already past Vettel, that is why it was ok to go off track
Not sure why this is still be a subject. The stewards set the strict no-off-track rule ONLY for some corners. Some other corners you can go off track. It's been like this for many years, which in Silverstone Stowe is one of them, Luffield is another. In Bahrain, for years at T3 you can go off track both in quali and in race for overtaking.
At corners like Luffield, F1 doesn't give the exact no-off-track order by words to the drivers. Instead they use gravel (or pavement with different friction) to limit the drivers from doing that. Last year at Luffield the gravel had more than a car width distance to the white line, so they all went off track. F1 was not happy about it, so this year they extended the gravel to less than a car width distance to the white line, and then of cause every driver respected the track limit. Technically, you can still go off track at Luffield this year getting a valid laptime. You will just run on gravel and completely f**k up your lap of cause.
is it that hard to comprehend that going off there in quali or while leading the race (or just cruising in free air) does compromise your lap, but when you overtake someone there by going off and then rejoin the track just to block off your competitor that stayed within the white lines are 2 totally different things?
applying same judgement to these 2 situations is simply wrong, because the consequences are totally not comparable
edit: to continue the comparison between those 2 situations - the penalty that Max had to endure by going off, the speed difference when he rejoined the track - that is what created the situation in the first place that Vettel tried to exploit, and Max very well knew that, that is why he absolutely had to defend that inside line to the death (read - crash)
had the distance to the next corner been greater, Vettel wouldn't need to go for the inside line, he would just cruise around him on the outside, but the track is what it is
and AGAIN we return to that same dreaded inside-line-is-king situation that arose after Austria ruling, see - if the ruling was different, then the outside line would still be an option for Vettel, but it just isn't any more, thanks to Maxes move in the previous race and stewards ruling
now do you see the effect Max has on the racing overall?
P.S. to the edit, and people complained that DRS made overtaking simple, well, now it even dumber, if you're on the inside - you win
P.P.S. I re red your comment, and you totally misunderstand how rules work (at least how they should work) - competition takes place WITHIN the white lines, with some exclusions, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, and for the 8157490574902857492835749028357490283574th time - if there was no advantage to going wide - they wouldn't do it, and if the stewards had more sense, they would make it totally clear to everyone - you go outside the white lines - you get DSQ or penalty, in qualy that means your lap is discarded, in race, while fighting for position - you give the place back (like it has been since recent times, all for the sake of the show again...), and if you went wide while cruising - you lost time - self inflicting penalty
go argue with a line judge in tennis that you the ball you just served 3mm outside the line was slower than usual, so the opponent wasn't at a real disadvantage having to have had to receive it, see where that takes you, but F1 somehow is different, all the time there are special cases here and there, and then color of a car start to make difference, or used to, how much prize money the team got, how popular the driver is etc, that is all BS that didn't have to exist