2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by falonso81 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:51 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:36 pm
Usually the guy who wins the race, deserves to win the race. And no, I will absolutely not tolerate anything between the lines of "but...but...but... what about CANADA?". Shut it and swallow it :lol:
But but but, what about the races that the leader comes to a halt 1 or 2 laps from the finish line and the guy in a distant second place at the time claims the win. Wouldn't the leader up to that point, deserved the win more?

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by garygph » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:53 pm

falonso81 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:51 pm
turbof1 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:36 pm
Usually the guy who wins the race, deserves to win the race. And no, I will absolutely not tolerate anything between the lines of "but...but...but... what about CANADA?". Shut it and swallow it :lol:
But but but, what about the races that the leader comes to a halt 1 or 2 laps from the finish line and the guy in a distant second place at the time claims the win. Wouldn't the leader up to that point, deserved the win more?
No not necessarily as he may not looked after his equipment as well as the guy that was running second :wink:

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Pyrone89 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:59 pm

F1Krof wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:17 pm
:shock: :shock:

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Swap Friday weather with Sumday and it would be fun (no Friday data, overheatimg and tyre issues on sunday). Unfortunately now it is going to be a straightforward Mercedes 1-2 judging on their wet race pace last years and the fact that 25 degrees is cooler than expected.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by ENGINE TUNER » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:30 pm

Phil wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:47 am

I hope he wins too. Because i’d rather see a Vettel at the top of his game, than one who is struggling. And admittedly, i’m getting annoyed by the constant bashing of him. His made mistakes, sure, but he’s also delivered awesome drives and poles in his career and when the car was to his liking.
You are seeing vettel at the "top of his game", he has always been mistake and accident prone.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Just_a_fan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm

Pyrone89 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:59 pm
Unfortunately now it is going to be a straightforward Mercedes 1-2 judging on their wet race pace last years
Since when did last year's car determine how good this year's car is? The W10 is not the W09. The drivers are the same, however...
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by NathanOlder » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm
Pyrone89 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:59 pm
Unfortunately now it is going to be a straightforward Mercedes 1-2 judging on their wet race pace last years
Since when did last year's car determine how good this year's car is? The W10 is not the W09. The drivers are the same, however...
:lol:

Made me chuckle too. If the whole 'last years car was good in the wet, so this years will be too' means the Merc will be good in the wet forever :wtf:
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Restomaniac » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:28 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:36 pm
Usually the guy who wins the race, deserves to win the race. And no, I will absolutely not tolerate anything between the lines of "but...but...but... what about CANADA?". Shut it and swallow it :lol:
With regard to the last comment. Reminds me of a film I once watched 8) :wtf:

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Pyrone89 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:39 am

NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm
Pyrone89 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:59 pm
Unfortunately now it is going to be a straightforward Mercedes 1-2 judging on their wet race pace last years
Since when did last year's car determine how good this year's car is? The W10 is not the W09. The drivers are the same, however...
:lol:

Made me chuckle too. If the whole 'last years car was good in the wet, so this years will be too' means the Merc will be good in the wet forever :wtf:
Are you seriously questioning this?

Ofcourse it is different when there is a major rule change which hurts that specific team (didnt with Merc). Furthermore Mercedes for years have no trouble getting tyres up to temp (lasting them was a different story until the 2019 Pirelli compounds) which is really important in the wet. The W10 is a direct descendant of the previous cars which were amazing in the wet.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by sprint car76 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:18 am

Was the mercedes or the driver that was amazing?

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by dtro » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:10 am

Will probably see the teams compromising qualifying pace if rain becomes a certainty moreso than a possibility. Just want to see the field stirred up a bit. Keep the streak going.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by NathanOlder » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:33 am

sprint car76 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:18 am
Was the mercedes or the driver that was amazing?
One race that spring to mind are Monaco 2016, where the almighty dominating wet weather beast finished 7th I think it was behind a RedBull, Force India, Ferrari, Mclaren......

while the other Mercedes finsihed a lap ahead. Car or Driver on that day.
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Hammerfist » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:47 am

Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm


Since when did last year's car determine how good this year's car is? The W10 is not the W09. The drivers are the same, however...
:lol:

Made me chuckle too. If the whole 'last years car was good in the wet, so this years will be too' means the Merc will be good in the wet forever :wtf:
Are you seriously questioning this?

Ofcourse it is different when there is a major rule change which hurts that specific team (didnt with Merc). Furthermore Mercedes for years have no trouble getting tyres up to temp (lasting them was a different story until the 2019 Pirelli compounds) which is really important in the wet. The W10 is a direct descendant of the previous cars which were amazing in the wet.
We have no idea how this year's car will perform in the wet. Yes, signs are that it will be good since it is the best car on the grid anyway, but we cannot be certain of their wet weather performance simply because there hasn't been any meaningful wet running yet this year.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by zibby43 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:06 am

Hammerfist wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:47 am
We have no idea how this year's car will perform in the wet. Yes, signs are that it will be good since it is the best car on the grid anyway, but we cannot be certain of their wet weather performance simply because there hasn't been any meaningful wet running yet this year.
This is true. That said, the general rule of thumb is that, in wet weather, downforce is king. You've got a lower coefficient of friction on a wet track. Raindrops (and spray from other cars) accumulate on the aerodynamic surfaces of the car and interfere with the laminar flow the surfaces prefer (disrupting aerodynamic performance).

Teams are forced to crank on as much front wing as possible in wet conditions. So, if you're starting from a place of more downforce, you're off to a good start . . . and this year's W10 has a lot of downforce.

There are other factors at play - a car's rake, the slightly increased ride height of the car on the wet weather compounds, suspension setup (cars will be staying off the curbs in wet conditions), etc.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Capharol » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am

Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm


Since when did last year's car determine how good this year's car is? The W10 is not the W09. The drivers are the same, however...
:lol:

Made me chuckle too. If the whole 'last years car was good in the wet, so this years will be too' means the Merc will be good in the wet forever :wtf:
Are you seriously questioning this?

Ofcourse it is different when there is a major rule change which hurts that specific team (didnt with Merc). Furthermore Mercedes for years have no trouble getting tyres up to temp (lasting them was a different story until the 2019 Pirelli compounds) which is really important in the wet. The W10 is a direct descendant of the previous cars which were amazing in the wet.
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Vasconia » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:06 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm
Pyrone89 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:59 pm
Unfortunately now it is going to be a straightforward Mercedes 1-2 judging on their wet race pace last years
Since when did last year's car determine how good this year's car is? The W10 is not the W09. The drivers are the same, however...
Downforce helps and Mercedes has a lot of it. With few exceptions they have been strong in wet.