2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by LM10 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:07 am

Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
No big rule changes between 2016 and 2018? I think you need to go back and remember the changes made in 2017.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Bill_Kar » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:32 am

I think weather input is stabilised by now, very hot Friday and hot Saturday, but cold-ish overcast on Sunday.

Still, I think Mercedes would be the fastest car even at 40 degrees.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by aran.vtec » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:48 am

Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am
Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm


:lol:

Made me chuckle too. If the whole 'last years car was good in the wet, so this years will be too' means the Merc will be good in the wet forever :wtf:
Are you seriously questioning this?

Ofcourse it is different when there is a major rule change which hurts that specific team (didnt with Merc). Furthermore Mercedes for years have no trouble getting tyres up to temp (lasting them was a different story until the 2019 Pirelli compounds) which is really important in the wet. The W10 is a direct descendant of the previous cars which were amazing in the wet.
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
Um there was a massive rule change 2016 - 2017

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Capharol » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:31 am

LM10 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:07 am
Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
No big rule changes between 2016 and 2018? I think you need to go back and remember the changes made in 2017.
true forgot about that one ..... #-o
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Pyrone89 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:11 am

Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am
Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm


:lol:

Made me chuckle too. If the whole 'last years car was good in the wet, so this years will be too' means the Merc will be good in the wet forever :wtf:
Are you seriously questioning this?

Ofcourse it is different when there is a major rule change which hurts that specific team (didnt with Merc). Furthermore Mercedes for years have no trouble getting tyres up to temp (lasting them was a different story until the 2019 Pirelli compounds) which is really important in the wet. The W10 is a direct descendant of the previous cars which were amazing in the wet.
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
I suggest you look at a picture of a 2016 car and an 2018 car and then tell me they look similar and there were no big rule changes :lol:

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Sieper » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:50 am

NO!!!

I cannot look at 2016 and before cars anymore. They look like rollerskates. :-)

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by astracrazy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:58 pm

LM10 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:07 am
Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
No big rule changes between 2016 and 2018? I think you need to go back and remember the changes made in 2017.
:lol:

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by NathanOlder » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:50 pm

Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:11 am
Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am
Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:39 am

Are you seriously questioning this?

Ofcourse it is different when there is a major rule change which hurts that specific team (didnt with Merc). Furthermore Mercedes for years have no trouble getting tyres up to temp (lasting them was a different story until the 2019 Pirelli compounds) which is really important in the wet. The W10 is a direct descendant of the previous cars which were amazing in the wet.
the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
I suggest you look at a picture of a 2016 car and an 2018 car and then tell me they look similar and there were no big rule changes :lol:
But still, your logic of if its good one year, it will be good the next, If it rains on sunday, does that mean Hulkenberg and Ricciardo will be very strong? As I remember Senna nearly winning in the wet once.
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Pyrone89 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:16 pm

NathanOlder wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:50 pm
Pyrone89 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:11 am
Capharol wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:01 am


the 2016 RB was good in the rain aswell, the 2018 RB on the other sucked in the rain, but won 5 races last year .....
and the difference between the 2016 and 2018 RB? not much because there were no big rule changes .... so yes we are seriously questioning your statement ....
I suggest you look at a picture of a 2016 car and an 2018 car and then tell me they look similar and there were no big rule changes :lol:
But still, your logic of if its good one year, it will be good the next, If it rains on sunday, does that mean Hulkenberg and Ricciardo will be very strong? As I remember Senna nearly winning in the wet once.
What are you trying to say? Yes, unless a team messes up in evolution years strong characteristics of cars tend to carry over.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by bonjon1979 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:06 am
Hammerfist wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:47 am
We have no idea how this year's car will perform in the wet. Yes, signs are that it will be good since it is the best car on the grid anyway, but we cannot be certain of their wet weather performance simply because there hasn't been any meaningful wet running yet this year.
This is true. That said, the general rule of thumb is that, in wet weather, downforce is king. You've got a lower coefficient of friction on a wet track. Raindrops (and spray from other cars) accumulate on the aerodynamic surfaces of the car and interfere with the laminar flow the surfaces prefer (disrupting aerodynamic performance).

Teams are forced to crank on as much front wing as possible in wet conditions. So, if you're starting from a place of more downforce, you're off to a good start . . . and this year's W10 has a lot of downforce.

There are other factors at play - a car's rake, the slightly increased ride height of the car on the wet weather compounds, suspension setup (cars will be staying off the curbs in wet conditions), etc.
As a general rule, Hamilton is king in the wet. He’s won every single set race since 2014.

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by yelistener » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:30 am

No DRS before Turn 1 in 2019, so I suppose they will take Turn 1 flatout in quali?

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by mclaren111 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:28 am

Image


Track changes for Vettel... :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by Capharol » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:51 am

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seems it might stay dry and not as hot as expected
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by SiLo » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:56 am

bonjon1979 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:06 am
Hammerfist wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:47 am
We have no idea how this year's car will perform in the wet. Yes, signs are that it will be good since it is the best car on the grid anyway, but we cannot be certain of their wet weather performance simply because there hasn't been any meaningful wet running yet this year.
This is true. That said, the general rule of thumb is that, in wet weather, downforce is king. You've got a lower coefficient of friction on a wet track. Raindrops (and spray from other cars) accumulate on the aerodynamic surfaces of the car and interfere with the laminar flow the surfaces prefer (disrupting aerodynamic performance).

Teams are forced to crank on as much front wing as possible in wet conditions. So, if you're starting from a place of more downforce, you're off to a good start . . . and this year's W10 has a lot of downforce.

There are other factors at play - a car's rake, the slightly increased ride height of the car on the wet weather compounds, suspension setup (cars will be staying off the curbs in wet conditions), etc.
As a general rule, Hamilton is king in the wet. He’s won every single set race since 2014.
Wait is this true?
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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

Post by mkay » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:14 am

SiLo wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:56 am
bonjon1979 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:06 am


This is true. That said, the general rule of thumb is that, in wet weather, downforce is king. You've got a lower coefficient of friction on a wet track. Raindrops (and spray from other cars) accumulate on the aerodynamic surfaces of the car and interfere with the laminar flow the surfaces prefer (disrupting aerodynamic performance).

Teams are forced to crank on as much front wing as possible in wet conditions. So, if you're starting from a place of more downforce, you're off to a good start . . . and this year's W10 has a lot of downforce.

There are other factors at play - a car's rake, the slightly increased ride height of the car on the wet weather compounds, suspension setup (cars will be staying off the curbs in wet conditions), etc.
As a general rule, Hamilton is king in the wet. He’s won every single set race since 2014.
Wait is this true?
Well, all but Hungary 2014 which he could have won from the pit lane if it weren't for a faulty cylinder at the end of the race.