Fulcrum wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:56 am
drunkf1fan wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:56 pm
Literally multiple people in this thread are saying he's run out of talent, hasn't grown up, didn't make these mistakes before, other drivers don't make them and similar. They literally are impugning his ability.
Actually, that's not what most people are saying. People are pointing out he made these types of judgement calls more often 2 years ago than has been the case this year. Verstappen has exercised far more discretion when attempting an overtake this year, especially at the beginning of the race. And his results prove that this strategy scores more points in the long run.
But he went for a MASSIVE gap, with a better car.
He had a better car, he could have easily passed Kimi along the Kemmel straight. No need for having to place your trust in another driver's rear view mirrors.
In what situation is going into a minimum 3 car wide gap... risky, or dangerous, or anything bad?
When the cars are 3-abreast, following different lines to the apex of the corner. Little, or no, room for error. Any misjudgement from any one of the drivers involved leads to poor outcomes for all involved, and you only work this out after the accident has happened.
I didn't say most people are saying that so that's rather irrelevant.
The he had a better car so could have easily passed Kimi on the Kemmel straight argument is a moot point as well. He has a better car, that doesn't mean he had a higher straight line speed.
But if someone will turn into you when they have to leave you space at the apex, then they can turn into you when they have to leave you space on the straight but ultimately his only chance of passing on the kemmel straight would actually be getting alongside and outbraking him into the corner, so you've moved the decision a couple of corners down the track. So it's okay to pass and expect space at the end of the straight, but it's not okay to expect the space in T1 even though T1 is a larger corner which can easy take 2 or 3 cars going side by side through the corner.
On the last part, again that's not what I said. I said he was making a move into the corner with 3 cars width gap, not 3 cars abreast. The track can take pretty much 5-6 cars abreast. Into the corner the Racing point backed off as the car outside was ahead AND he had a faster car on the inside so he wasn't winning out either way, he was third favourite. Once he backed out there was at leats a 3 cars width gap JUST for Verstappen.
Kimi has to leave space, if he leaves space that is a 100% safe move, if he doesn't leave space it doesn't matter where on the track you're going to make the pass if the other guy isn't going to drive safely.
Some weekends everyone brings out the "if you see a gap and don't go for it you're not a racer" to excuse half the grid of anything they do, this weekend Verstappen goes into a literally massive gap. going into the braking zone he's the only car on the right side of the track, Kimi is on the left half of the track. You're supposed to ignore a half empty track because a guy on a way outside line will chop to the apex?
Again in all the responses I've seen, not one person has said why it's okay to chop to the apex when a guy is on your inside before you've even turned in. Not one person has said why, when you start on the outside at the start when you can be 85% certain there will be traffic around you, it's safe or sensible for Kimi to chop directly to the apex. I've seen no one say why if someone will chop you off on T1 it makes sense to pull the exact same move into a tighter corner elsewhere, why does that become safer?
WHy is it almost every driver leaves space and doesn't erratically change lines at the start and they avoid accidents and those who consistent change line cause accidents... is the guy who changed line and hit someone (again) completely absolved of all blame.
I keep seeing basically, Verstappen is young, Verstappen ran out of talent, Verstappen could have passed elsewhere, Verstappen could have waited, etc, etc, etc. But no one is actually making a comment about why Kimi doing something dangerous, reckless, having no idea of if the inside was clear but chopping to the apex was fine.
Kimi starts on the outside, he has a Racing Point on the inside and at least two cars width on his inside that Kimi has to think there could be a car there not least because... he saw a car there before. Because he KNEW Verstappen was on the inside because he went by him earlier. If he stays wide he's basically completely safe... but it's up to Verstappen to know he'll get chopped rather than it's on Kimi to keep to a safer sensible line considering where he started.
Anyway, I give up, I won't respond again but maybe others can give a genuine answer to explain why what Kimi did was absolutely fine. Apparently Verstappen knew it could happen so should have avoided it, but not one person (aside from me) has given the same for Kimi, saying he knew someone could be on the inside and he could easily have stayed wide on the line he went into the corner and been completely safe.