2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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Re: 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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RZS10 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:33 pm
Depending on whether Ferrari manage to salvage Charles' spec3 engine (or if it was salvageable in the first place) he might take a new one for that race, his 1st engine probably has already been used in most friday practices, his 2nd was already very old in the USA and maybe not worth the risk.

So any predictions with Leclerc in the top4 for quali and on the podium in the race might already be off.
If he takes a new engine then he's a shoe-in to win Abu Dhabi.
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godlameroso wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:34 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:33 pm
Depending on whether Ferrari manage to salvage Charles' spec3 engine (or if it was salvageable in the first place) he might take a new one for that race, his 1st engine probably has already been used in most friday practices, his 2nd was already very old in the USA and maybe not worth the risk.

So any predictions with Leclerc in the top4 for quali and on the podium in the race might already be off.
If he takes a new engine then he's a shoe-in to win Abu Dhabi.
This is what new reports say
Ferrari: in Brazil Leclerc brings the 2020 engine to debut
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 0/4594696/
Dont know if it is real

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godlameroso wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:34 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:33 pm
Depending on whether Ferrari manage to salvage Charles' spec3 engine (or if it was salvageable in the first place) he might take a new one for that race, his 1st engine probably has already been used in most friday practices, his 2nd was already very old in the USA and maybe not worth the risk.

So any predictions with Leclerc in the top4 for quali and on the podium in the race might already be off.
If he takes a new engine then he's a shoe-in to win Abu Dhabi.
I don't think so. Why are we talking about Abu Dhabi?

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zibby43 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:43 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:34 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:33 pm
Depending on whether Ferrari manage to salvage Charles' spec3 engine (or if it was salvageable in the first place) he might take a new one for that race, his 1st engine probably has already been used in most friday practices, his 2nd was already very old in the USA and maybe not worth the risk.

So any predictions with Leclerc in the top4 for quali and on the podium in the race might already be off.
If he takes a new engine then he's a shoe-in to win Abu Dhabi.
I don't think so. Why are we talking about Abu Dhabi?
Because if he takes a new one that's tested for a lifespan of 7 races in Brazil, he can then push the extra power of 6 races in just one race: Abu Dhabi ... i.e. 6x (although not linear of course) more peak-power. It may explode directly after finishing ...

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langedweil wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:52 am
zibby43 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:43 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:34 pm


If he takes a new engine then he's a shoe-in to win Abu Dhabi.
I don't think so. Why are we talking about Abu Dhabi?
Because if he takes a new one that's tested for a lifespan of 7 races in Brazil, he can then push the extra power of 6 races in just one race: Abu Dhabi ... i.e. 6x (although not linear of course) more peak-power. It may explode directly after finishing ...
I think we're overrating the power advantage of a fresh spec. It's definitely a tangible advantage, and probably worth at least 10 horsepower in qualifying. In the race, fresh PUs can be run in higher power modes for longer because the mileage constraint is less of a concern.

But, Abu Dhabi also has corners.

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Back to the race, there's corners in Brazil as well and Ferrari was quite competitive last year. I think they may be there or thereabouts, certainly in qualifying. Depends how ahead they are on the straights. The corners will be difficult for them because they're very long corners, Paul Ricard showed how good Mercedes is on long corners. However that was before Red Bull got on top of their aero, and now they are very good in slow speed corners. In USA, Verstappen had the fastest 3rd sector, which is the slowest corners in the lap. In Hungary Verstappen snatched pole because of sector 3, which is a long slow speed corner followed by a long medium speed corner. Brazil's corners are very much like this, so could be good for them. I'm also excited to see McLaren vs Renault these last two races.
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zibby43 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:35 am
langedweil wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:52 am
zibby43 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:43 pm


I don't think so. Why are we talking about Abu Dhabi?
Because if he takes a new one that's tested for a lifespan of 7 races in Brazil, he can then push the extra power of 6 races in just one race: Abu Dhabi ... i.e. 6x (although not linear of course) more peak-power. It may explode directly after finishing ...
I think we're overrating the power advantage of a fresh spec. It's definitely a tangible advantage, and probably worth at least 10 horsepower in qualifying. In the race, fresh PUs can be run in higher power modes for longer because the mileage constraint is less of a concern.

But, Abu Dhabi also has corners.
True that, but it also has some highspeed straights/combo's. Bit more like the not-so-very-old days, obliterate a PU over 1 weekend .. used to be great fun.
But anywayz, first Brazil !

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The championships are over. If I was Ferrari I'd pop the new engine in Leclerc's car. Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Especially some valuable data in a live situation.

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if it rains its max his race unless Honda also might opt to try a new pu ahead of next year.

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Max has unfinished business he was leading the race last year before Ocon crashed into him .i think he will win regardless of whether.

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ferrari power advantage seems only to be on flat straights not uphill ones

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maxxer wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:35 pm
ferrari power advantage seems only to be on flat straights not uphill ones
This doesn’t make sense at all, does it? Based on what do you tell that?

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El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:23 pm
Unless he learns simple lessons like this, he will never be champion. What would Hamilton or Vettel or Alonso done in that situation? Let him past. Give him a wide berth. Don't put yourself under any undue risk.
this is it. And in the last 2 races he's STILL had 5 contacts and lost possibly 2 wins! So Max's motivation won't be revenge, if he has any sense at all, it'll be staying clean this time. He doesn't need more motivation, he actually needs a bit less if anything, to calm it down. He's so fast, it's a waste, this 'hard racing' attitude. it's not clever. The others just race harder too and then what

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Re: 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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And another looooong set of posts is, poooof!, no longer there. (I mean it, 15 posts, one whole page, 13 of them consecutive!).
Did anything interesting happen involving Max Verstapen and Esteban Ocon in last years Brazilian GP? Rings a bell, I guess because it was discussed to death in this other thread: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=27712&start=870, largely by the same people?
Did anyone convince anyone else back then? Probably not. Are you going to succeed this time? Let me guess... :-k

Ocon is not going to take part of this weekend's race, so the chances of an encounter between those two on track this weekend is about nil. ´nuff said!

Back to 2019, please.
¡Puxa Esportin!

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Re: 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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Now imagine how silly you'd look if Bottas or Hamilton got sick and were replaced by the fella you mentioned :^)


siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:43 pm
This is what new reports say
Ferrari: in Brazil Leclerc brings the 2020 engine to debut
Dont know if it is real
More publications are picking up the story now ... and if Ferrari has to take a new one why not take the next spec if it's ready...