2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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Re: 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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I actually think the driving between Max and Lewis was superb. In fact I’d say this is the best race we’ve had in terms of racing for yonks and yonks

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Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:17 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:07 pm


He came out a fair distance ahead of Max, surprised to see Max pass him so quick. Leclerc didn't help matters but I still think Lewis defended poorly, if you're going to do the last minute block at least ensure you actually block the passing drivers path.
Yup leclerc defended heavily on Lewis but let pass max so easily in the final corner
Leclerc comprised his last few corners with Max after defending against Lewis. Lewis though should have fully closed the door on Max instead of making a half hearted attempt.
This might be the mindset Hamilton was talking about in Mexico, where he was saying he is giving Verstappen more room then an other driver.

Not saying that is a right or wrong approach, just saying it looks like Hamilton did it with intent.
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turbof1 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:18 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:17 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Yup leclerc defended heavily on Lewis but let pass max so easily in the final corner
Leclerc comprised his last few corners with Max after defending against Lewis. Lewis though should have fully closed the door on Max instead of making a half hearted attempt.
This might be the mindset Hamilton was talking about in Mexico, where he was saying he is giving Verstappen more room then an other driver.

Not saying that is a right or wrong approach, just saying it looks like Hamilton did it with intent.
Yes maybe so and this is where I believe Max unnerves Lewis like no other driver on the grid and forces mistakes from the champion.

This pairing is certainly the new Senna/Schumacher battle, difference is though the younger driver is the more aggressive of the pair.

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What gets me most, is how official F1 site is unable to provide who is under investigation about yellow flags. Is it a secret? How can they provide transparency of their work, if they are not telling the people what are they doing. They have the data, they even have video footage, but they refuse to show anything.
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Did Saintz came from the last row? How did he pull it off?

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NL_Fer wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:27 pm
Did Saintz came from the last row? How did he pull it off?
Safety cars and tyre choice. And maybe a bit of genius.
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Can we talk about the inconsistencies of safety car usage.

In Austin we had kmag directly in the firing line at the end of the Strait and all we got was double waved yellows.

Bottas pulls off in a section of the track that would require another driver to break the laws of physics to even potentially hit him and we get a full safety car.

It makes no sense whatsoever.
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dans79 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Can we talk about the inconsistencies of safety car usage.

In Austin we had kmag directly in the firing line at the end of the Strait and all we got was double waved yellows.

Bottas pulls off in a section of the track that would require another driver to break the laws of physics to even potentially hit him and we get a full safety car.

It makes no sense whatsoever.
They probably could not get the car into neutral or whatever, which required a crane to get on track. As you said it would have highely unlikely that a race car would get into that area, let alone near the crane, but I think this is a standard procedure since the accident of Bianchi.

Though this is conjecture from me. I agree I also felt a SC was unnecessary.
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dans79 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Can we talk about the inconsistencies of safety car usage.

In Austin we had kmag directly in the firing line at the end of the Strait and all we got was double waved yellows.

Bottas pulls off in a section of the track that would require another driver to break the laws of physics to even potentially hit him and we get a full safety car.

It makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes perfect sense when you realise F1 is a show and not a sport.

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proteus wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:26 pm
What gets me most, is how official F1 site is unable to provide who is under investigation about yellow flags. Is it a secret? How can they provide transparency of their work, if they are not telling the people what are they doing. They have the data, they even have video footage, but they refuse to show anything.
you need to look at the FIA site
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... rmation-22
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dans79 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Can we talk about the inconsistencies of safety car usage.

In Austin we had kmag directly in the firing line at the end of the Strait and all we got was double waved yellows.

Bottas pulls off in a section of the track that would require another driver to break the laws of physics to even potentially hit him and we get a full safety car.

It makes no sense whatsoever.
it makes sense because they couldn't move the car
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I still don't understand how people complain about the modern era of F1, the racing is as good as any era.

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turbof1 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:34 pm
dans79 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Can we talk about the inconsistencies of safety car usage.

In Austin we had kmag directly in the firing line at the end of the Strait and all we got was double waved yellows.

Bottas pulls off in a section of the track that would require another driver to break the laws of physics to even potentially hit him and we get a full safety car.

It makes no sense whatsoever.
They probably could not get the car into neutral or whatever, which required a crane to get on track. As you said it would have highely unlikely that a race car would get into that area, let alone near the crane, but I think this is a standard procedure since the accident of Bianchi.

Though this is conjecture from me. I agree I also felt a SC was unnecessary.
A crane had to be brought onto the track to remove Bottas' car. The moment a crane has to be used necessitates a full safety car. They were just following procedure.

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I must admit, I did wonder why the car could not be craned to safety from the other side of the barrier.
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turbof1 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:34 pm
dans79 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Can we talk about the inconsistencies of safety car usage.

In Austin we had kmag directly in the firing line at the end of the Strait and all we got was double waved yellows.

Bottas pulls off in a section of the track that would require another driver to break the laws of physics to even potentially hit him and we get a full safety car.

It makes no sense whatsoever.
They probably could not get the car into neutral or whatever, which required a crane to get on track. As you said it would have highely unlikely that a race car would get into that area, let alone near the crane, but I think this is a standard procedure since the accident of Bianchi.

Though this is conjecture from me. I agree I also felt a SC was unnecessary.
I could understand a virtual safety car.

From what I saw it looks like the lifting vehicle was still fully behind the safety barrier when they picked Bottas car up.
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