2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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Re: 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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izzy wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:05 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:27 am
Interesting situation here. Apparently Ferrari and others had parts seized at Interlagos.

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/119 ... 74242?s=21

Sorry I don't know how to link a tweet directly.
omg :shock:

tho i suppose we shouldn't prejudge the outcome
I agree. Yes, it certainly has an air of suspicion around it, but we have to wait for the outcome.
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saviour stivala wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:05 am
Wass85 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:08 am
Why don't the stewards use some sort of trolley jack to remove cars that can't be pushed, something simple like that is an easy and fast solution.
Using a trolley jack will help/work to remove a car (push behind fence) if the car stops on smoot tarmac/ground. but not on grass or Gravel run-off aria.
Yes of course but a telehandler could lift a car back over the barriers with a simple chain, no need to be trackside.

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Wass85 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:09 am
saviour stivala wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:05 am
Wass85 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:08 am
Why don't the stewards use some sort of trolley jack to remove cars that can't be pushed, something simple like that is an easy and fast solution.
Using a trolley jack will help/work to remove a car (push behind fence) if the car stops on smoot tarmac/ground. but not on grass or Gravel run-off aria.
Yes of course but a telehandler could lift a car back over the barriers with a simple chain, no need to be trackside.
So basically a makeshift crane. But then we are back to a vehicle being used to clear the car and protocol demanding a safety car being called out for that.

I think the protocol will have to be considered here. A VSC would have been perfect for the situation. It would also have avoided backmarkers unlapping themselves, which is what costed so much time in the first place.
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turbof1 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:13 am
Wass85 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:09 am
saviour stivala wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:05 am


Using a trolley jack will help/work to remove a car (push behind fence) if the car stops on smoot tarmac/ground. but not on grass or Gravel run-off aria.
Yes of course but a telehandler could lift a car back over the barriers with a simple chain, no need to be trackside.
So basically a makeshift crane. But then we are back to a vehicle being used to clear the car and protocol demanding a safety car being called out for that.

I think the protocol will have to be considered here. A VSC would have been perfect for the situation. It would also have avoided backmarkers unlapping themselves, which is what costed so much time in the first place.
Yes but the vehicle can stay behind the barrier when the car is in the right position.

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Phil wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:38 am
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:47 pm
If Masi said that he is either misled, incorrect or lying. The vsc was instituted for this exact situation to replace the "waved double yellow flags", in order to take it out if the driver's hands to slow down sufficiently and put it in race control's hands.
Masi is in charge and responsible. It’s easy to argue in hindsight and criticize. In the heat of the moment, all that was clear was that a crane was going to be necessary to lift the car out from where it was stuck and with limited footage, hard to know beforehand how the crane would effectively be positioned. The decision to bring out the safety car was made beforehand, at a best guess as to the potential dangers and the best course of action to mitigate that risk.

Perhaps, a VSC could have been called before hand as a “lets see first”, but given some of the crashes we have had this year, i cant fault him either way.
Masi is a clown, but are you under the impression that since the vsc has been implemented in F1, never once has then been a crane "inside the barriers" under vsc conditions? Maybe this is Masi's new directive, but F1 has most certainly called for the vsc and not the sc for a crane to pick up a car in the past.

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turbof1 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:08 am
izzy wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:05 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:27 am
Interesting situation here. Apparently Ferrari and others had parts seized at Interlagos.

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/119 ... 74242?s=21

Sorry I don't know how to link a tweet directly.
omg :shock:

tho i suppose we shouldn't prejudge the outcome
I agree. Yes, it certainly has an air of suspicion around it, but we have to wait for the outcome.
There is no smoke without fire

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Monaco has stationaire cranes. Just the hitch hangs inside the barier.

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Restomaniac wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:18 am
RZS10 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:29 am
I'm rather surprised that Mercedes did not see how much oil their car was burning, that must've shown in the telemetry ...

And yea ... it would be just like Indycar where one SC leads into the next ... some of the races are just a bunch of ads interrupted by a string of SCs, but maybe they want to target that audience ... lol
They did. The word from Mercedes was that it’s consumption went up ‘very sharply’ for about half a lap before the retirement.
Was it still within the 0,6l/100km directive?

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NL_Fer wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:04 pm
Restomaniac wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:18 am
RZS10 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:29 am
I'm rather surprised that Mercedes did not see how much oil their car was burning, that must've shown in the telemetry ...

And yea ... it would be just like Indycar where one SC leads into the next ... some of the races are just a bunch of ads interrupted by a string of SCs, but maybe they want to target that audience ... lol
They did. The word from Mercedes was that it’s consumption went up ‘very sharply’ for about half a lap before the retirement.
Was it still within the 0,6l/100km directive?
I don't think that's really an issue to be concerned about if it's caused by an imminent engine failure. It's clearly not an attempt to circumnavigate fuel flow rules!

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On spanish and italian press they said that the three teams involved in the seizure are:
Ferrari
Alfa
Red Bull(!!!!)

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If that is true, then it looks as if either Merc or Renault must have raised queries. My bet would be on Merc as they are now being out performed...engine wise...by both Ferrari and Honda, and they dont like that! But it is a bit late in the season to be causing a fuss.

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aral wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:10 pm
If that is true, then it looks as if either Merc or Renault must have raised queries. My bet would be on Merc as they are now being out performed...engine wise...by both Ferrari and Honda, and they dont like that! But it is a bit late in the season to be causing a fuss.
Probably all about next season, I suppose. Anything to disrupt an opponent's design cycle is beneficial. Also would save them having to put time and resource into developing down the same path to gain back an advantage.

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On the parts being impounded, Ted said in his notebook that a battery had been impounded, but I missed from who I thought he said RP.
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Nimble wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:51 pm
On spanish and italian press they said that the three teams involved in the seizure are:
Ferrari
Alfa
Red Bull(!!!!)
Formula Passion quoted that message from the Gazetta and it says they have read that from RBR
in the AMuS article.
Well, in the AMuS article, RBR is not mentioned at all. That's how the gossip comes into the world.

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Wouter wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:39 pm
Nimble wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:51 pm
On spanish and italian press they said that the three teams involved in the seizure are:
Ferrari
Alfa
Red Bull(!!!!)
Formula Passion quoted that message from the Gazetta and it says they have read that from RBR
in the AMuS article.
Well, in the AMuS article, RBR is not mentioned at all. That's how the gossip comes into the world.
The gazzetta Article is quite clear, they say that Ferrari involvement news is from AMuS, about RedBull they give directly the news without source.