2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina Circuit, 29 - 1 November/December

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NathanOlder wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:53
Horner said significant difference.
He also said if it’s true then it’s pretty much a black and white DQ. If it’s true and confirmed then why is he allowed to start?

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MtthsMlw wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:44
Capharol wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:40
NathanOlder wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:37
Ferrari Leclerc under investigation already

Didn't quite hear it, but some thing along the lines of amoubt of fuel onboard
yes Bauer found out that the amount of fuel in the car was different as what the team said.

it will be investigated AFTER the race
Could just be a miscommunication somewhere. Running your car underweight isn't clever these days.
Why after the race? why not now before the race?

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NathanOlder wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:53
Horner said significant difference.
Maybe he had like 10kg and some guy at Ferrari made a typing error and wrote 100kg :lol:

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check the red marked line

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Restomaniac wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:55
NathanOlder wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:53
Horner said significant difference.
He also said if it’s true then it’s pretty much a black and white DQ. If it’s true and confirmed then why is he allowed to start?
because they wanna hear the teams statement, which can't be done so shortly before the race

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Does anyone know the frequency of these tests? Is there always a couple of cars that get checked or is it a handful a season?

This seems pretty damn silly but I can’t imagine this was part of the engine ‘juicing’ saga.
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MtthsMlw wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:29
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 13:33
djones wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 12:26


This is missing the point completely.

The Ferrari design has been low downforce and high top speed from day one of the season.

The engine trick that now seems to have gone since the clarifications allowed them to run more downforce but still be fast on the straights. Now they do not have that we will again see slow cornering and higher tyre wear.

Expect to see the closest Ferrari at minimum 30 seconds behind the leader come the flag.
Yup, the Ferrari has been fastest on the straight from day 1, it is nothing new...In the singapore they were able to pile downforce and go faster than the almighty cornering speeds of Merc and still be more than 3 tenths faster in straight and also faster in corners
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If it just was as easy as pile on DF and go fast in the corners.
Do you see them running Monza wings here in Abu Dhabi? No, it's the same standard RW as usual - comparison.
Any other way of saying "they took off DF" is based on nothing we can validate for sure.

Hungary, Monaco, Barcelona S3 all very high DF but Ferrari still losing out in corners. This problem wasn't fully solved with the Singapore upgrade, it helped but Merc and RB were also not performing at their best.
Different asphalt, air temp, track temp, tyre pressures, corner radii, curbs etc. can not be ignored.
Some car performes well at track X and is suddenly bad at track Y that's just how it goes.
Last year Ferrari also lost 6 tenths in S3 and in 2017 it wasn't much different.
You can also see on Vettels steering wheel that all of his tyres start overheating right after the hairpin which ofc doesn't help in S3.

If anything this year and its tyres showed is that you want as much DF as you can get, doesn't matter if you lose 3 tenths on the straights in Qualifying.
There was a huge aero upgrade from ferrari at singapore
https://www.essentiallysports.com/singa ... -possible/

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Capharol wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:57
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What is the significance? Will they disqualify the car?

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So what do you think they have done guys ?

Fueled over the declaration so they don't have to save, or gone under to be lighter ?

Which one would make the most sense ?

*Edit* Or did someone just make a silly mistake ?
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Can someone explain what there is to gain? the car cannot be underweight at the start. thats a fact. if its under weight at the end, they get weighed then anyway.

Maybe saying its lighter than it actually is. so they can use the extra fuel during the race? over the maximum fuel flow limit
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Webber2011 wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 15:08
So what do you think they have done guys ?

Fueled over the declaration so they don't have to save, or gone under to be lighter ?

Which one would make the most sense ?
fueling heavy or light won't break a rule though.
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Bad practice start there from Lewis, in a way I hope Max jumps him or else he will run away.

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Capharol wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:58
Restomaniac wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:55
NathanOlder wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:53
Horner said significant difference.
He also said if it’s true then it’s pretty much a black and white DQ. If it’s true and confirmed then why is he allowed to start?
because they wanna hear the teams statement, which can't be done so shortly before the race
If they have got it wrong it’s wrong. It doesn’t matter what statement Ferrari have it’s black and white.

So what now happens I’d LeClerc takes somebody out? :? In fact screw that LeClerc being in the race WILL effect other cars.
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NathanOlder wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 15:09
Webber2011 wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 15:08
So what do you think they have done guys ?

Fueled over the declaration so they don't have to save, or gone under to be lighter ?

Which one would make the most sense ?
fueling heavy or light won't break a rule though.
I thought Horner said it breaks a technical regulation if you don't stick to what you declare, thus leading to disqualification ?

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Verstappen hasn't had a good time so far