Ferrari's race pace was horrible! Both Ferraris got all kinds of help in this race that will normally not happen. Neither car was able to do much of anything without help the entire race.zeph wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 20:05To me it looked like a racing incident, unfortunate for Albon, but his attempt looked a bit over-optimistic.
But maybe there is a belief that weighing Hamilton down like this will create a more exciting championship?
Anyway, not a bad race, but I do feel the SC’s were all unnecessary. It is clear they are deployed now for anything and everything, just to close up the pack and start the race afresh, essentially.
Ferrari’s race pace doesn’t look too bad. Not sure what happened in quali yesterday. And McLaren has looked strong all weekend, that’s good for the sport, but both a blessing and a curse for Renault.
It would be good if Bottas really does hold off Hamilton this season. But this was the same situation after first race last year! Bottas 2.0 turned out to be a dud last year. This is Austria, which is Hamilton's bogey circuit. Since it's return, anyone who wins the Austrian GP, doesn't win the WDC championship. We already saw Bottas losing tyre life when Hamilton pulled out almost 5 seconds off from his lead in a handful of laps. Bottas still cannot manage tyres in races and with additional downforce this year, the tyres (same as last year) are going to be even more loaded in races causing more wear. If not for the early Penalty, SC drama, Bottas would have been in serious trouble in the race.Ringleheim wrote: ↑06 Jul 2020, 05:27Bottas seems like a new man. Divorced, new woman in his life, renewed energy. If he can substantially raise his game and compete with Hamilton hard, race in and race out, as he did today, it could be for a somewhat interesting season in terms of seeing which Mercedes driver takes the championship.
Don't mention that on social media. I did that earlier today, And got attacked by the typical lowbrow fan who understands nothing about the sport.Moore77 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2020, 06:15We already saw Bottas losing tyre life when Hamilton pulled out almost 5 seconds off from his lead in a handful of laps. Bottas still cannot manage tyres in races and with additional downforce this year, the tyres (same as last year) are going to be even more loaded in races causing more wear. If not for the early Penalty, SC drama, Bottas would have been in serious trouble in the race.
Brake earlier. Don't drift as wide. Don't overlap wheels.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 17:02Albon's rear tyre was overlapping with Hamilton's If Hamilton had braked, the exact same result would have ensued.hudnut wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 17:01Brakes.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 16:54
He had lock applied all the way, never unwound the lock. So how is he supposed to give space? If you go around the outside, you put yourself in danger at the exit.
Incorrect. It was incorrect.LM10 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 17:11If the fact that Albon was in front of Hamilton going into that corner wasn't the decisive factor, then the penalty Hamilton got was a joke. He left space and had full right lock. Last year Max forced Leclerc off track crashing into him without a penalty. What was the ruling back then?
hudnut wrote: ↑06 Jul 2020, 07:00Incorrect. It was incorrect.LM10 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 17:11If the fact that Albon was in front of Hamilton going into that corner wasn't the decisive factor, then the penalty Hamilton got was a joke. He left space and had full right lock. Last year Max forced Leclerc off track crashing into him without a penalty. What was the ruling back then?
I'd still like to know how they manage to drive it at all. There must be some way of locking the telescoping of the steering column or something. I can't imagine trying to hold the wheel position for and aft and well as rotationally and have any ability to control it.holeindalip wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 19:42Can we all agree DAS is safe and withstood wheel to wheel banging without damage??
Not really. I just wasn't aware you could use another car as a cornering aid. But the wonderful thing about life is we are allowed to disagree.dans79 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2020, 07:09hudnut wrote: ↑06 Jul 2020, 07:00Incorrect. It was incorrect.LM10 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 17:11If the fact that Albon was in front of Hamilton going into that corner wasn't the decisive factor, then the penalty Hamilton got was a joke. He left space and had full right lock. Last year Max forced Leclerc off track crashing into him without a penalty. What was the ruling back then?
I would say in my personal opinion you are incorrect. Using your logic the concept of a racing incident could never exist!
When he entered the corner, Hamilton was ahead and on the inside line. Albon drove around the outside and Hamilton would only have seen him after the apex. Nothing Hamilton could have done at that point.
Hamilton will have moved on. He'll be studying the data and making sure he does everything possible to be on pole. Wouldn't be surprised if he's not also thinking about how to change lines slightly to minimise the big kerbs without losing time.matt_b wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 22:54I think with the a race next weekend its probably best to accept that sometimes decisions go your way other times they go against you and move on, no point the team or Lewis wasting energy over it. He had the better race pace, just needs to find time in qualifying for next weekend particularly in sector two.NathanOlder wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 22:40So once it becomes available, Mercedes can protest and get it overturned. Sorted.
I don’t even know whether the rules allow HAM to protest, but silence/quietly moving on from the incident doesn’t solve the issue for another day. The stewards are skirting responsibility and driving standards are falling. I don’t believe the stewards have offered anything more than the usual Car 44...avoidable accident spiel with regards the ALB/HAM incident. What we need so racing is clearly defined for future events is to pressure the stewards into an explanation.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Jul 2020, 09:53Hamilton will have moved on. He'll be studying the data and making sure he does everything possible to be on pole. Wouldn't be surprised if he's not also thinking about how to change lines slightly to minimise the big kerbs without losing time.matt_b wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 22:54I think with the a race next weekend its probably best to accept that sometimes decisions go your way other times they go against you and move on, no point the team or Lewis wasting energy over it. He had the better race pace, just needs to find time in qualifying for next weekend particularly in sector two.NathanOlder wrote: ↑05 Jul 2020, 22:40So once it becomes available, Mercedes can protest and get it overturned. Sorted.
F1 race director is from V8 Supercars, so he will deploy Safety Car in V8 Supercar style: anytime marshalls or recovery vehicle or medical vehicle needs to go on track. This is a welcome improvement from the risky practices F1 used to engage in, IMO.