2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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mkay
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Mercedes has told AMuS that it is planning to run DAS this weekend.
Prepare the popcorn...

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How much is das worth in lap times

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Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 16:59
How much is das worth in lap times


imo, an insignificant amount. It will most likely pay dividends with respect to tire longevity, and temperature management.
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dans79 wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:21
Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 16:59
How much is das worth in lap times


imo, an insignificant amount. It will most likely pay dividends with respect to tire longevity, and temperature management.
.. thus maybe/possibly a bigger difference than only an insignificant amount ?
Guess we'll have to see ...
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langedweil wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:25
dans79 wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:21
Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 16:59
How much is das worth in lap times


imo, an insignificant amount. It will most likely pay dividends with respect to tire longevity, and temperature management.
.. thus maybe/possibly a bigger difference than only an insignificant amount ?
Guess we'll have to see ...
As has been seen over the last few seasons, being able to manage your tires better than others can be more beneficial than an outright lap time advantage.

For example if you can't heat them up appropriately, you will find it hard to set a good lap time in qualifying. If you can't keep them cool during the race, you can't push for an extended period of time.
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Das reminds me of Mclaren during Redbull heydays constantly looking for a silver bullet first it was dog like suspension ,f duct , octopus exhaust.though they were nifty ideas they didn't give them the championship.so it's hard to be sold on das but anywhere Merc are world champs.

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Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:41
Das reminds me of Mclaren during Redbull heydays constantly looking for a silver bullet first it was dog like suspension ,f duct , octopus exhaust.though they were nifty ideas they didn't give them the championship.so it's hard to be sold on das but anywhere Merc are world champs.
yeah but what DAS does would have a positive impact for any team. So its probably more effective then all those things McLaren did also with all those tricks McLaren was quite competitive just not strong enough to beat Redbull.
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dans79 wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:21
Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 16:59
How much is das worth in lap times


imo, an insignificant amount. It will most likely pay dividends with respect to tire longevity, and temperature management.
I also think that Das is(t :P) for tyre management. It doesn't need to better lap times in one lap but if pink mercedes starts to slow down after 15 laps and 2020 merc can go 17-18 laps more with lesser loss, that means it gives speed advantage.

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Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:41
Das reminds me of Mclaren during Redbull heydays constantly looking for a silver bullet first it was dog like suspension ,f duct , octopus exhaust.though they were nifty ideas they didn't give them the championship.so it's hard to be sold on das but anywhere Merc are world champs.
Red Bull complained to the FIA about the f-duct before making their own version, of course, so it was obviously a worthwhile device. Of course, Red Bull used their own silver bullets such as drooping front wings to help their cause.

DAS is likely to be a "nice to have for fine tuning but no worries if not" device rather than a "we need it or the car won't work" device. It'll probably lead to Red Bull wasting time and energy on complaining to the FIA and/or developing their own version. Heck, they may turn up in Austria with their own version already on the car.
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Qualy Top 10:
HAM
VES
LEC
BOT
VET
PER
ALB
SAI
NOR
RIC

Race Top 10:
VES
HAM
VET
LEC
BOT
PER
ALB
NOR
SAI
RIC
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Just_a_fan wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 18:33
DAS. It'll probably lead to Red Bull wasting time and energy on complaining to the FIA and/or developing their own version. Heck, they may turn up in Austria with their own version already on the car.
RBR does not need the DAS system. The car itself is good and fast enough with regard to tire wear.
Nor are they going to complain this weekend to the FIA ​​about the DAS system. This has been confirmed by Horner.
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dans79 wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:21
Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 16:59
How much is das worth in lap times


imo, an insignificant amount. It will most likely pay dividends with respect to tire longevity, and temperature management.
This is my suspicion as well. Its benefit is also going to be limited on a track like the A1 Ring, or whatever they call it now.

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Bill wrote:
01 Jul 2020, 17:41
Das reminds me of Mclaren during Redbull heydays constantly looking for a silver bullet first it was dog like suspension ,f duct , octopus exhaust.though they were nifty ideas they didn't give them the championship.so it's hard to be sold on das but anywhere Merc are world champs.
Remember the extra pedal they ran for a while? Used in the corners and somehow controlling braking or diff? That seemed to be very effective at the time. I recall them dominating at Melbourne with it, unless I'm getting the years confused!

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Expdcting Mercedes 1 - 2 by 1 second with the entire paddock gobsmacked.
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