2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:42 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:37 pm


They couldnt time the fueling, as the pods would be of variable fullness. A cart with 2 fittings could be filling the pods as the car is on track, and the competition has zero knowledge until more data becomes available (post pit laptime).
Where would these pods be fitted? The current fuel tank location is the safest place in the whole car and it's in the very centre of the car. Presumably your pods would go in the sidepods somehow? How to make them crash proof?
While using the old refueling nozzle locations, I bet they could make a deep enough "cup" that pods could slide into, with some sort of automated retainment mechanism. One square foot is like 28L of fuel. that would be 56L max at any time, so 2 stops of a variable refill. I'm sure with pods that small, they could use the same Kevlar bladders inside them, as they are NOT a high pressure item.

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Jolle wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:47 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm
Jolle wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:09 pm


My prediction how refueling will go:

Mercedes will be near perfect, like clockwork, 95% of the time, predicable, boring, fast.
RedBull will gamble a lot, "win" the other 5% and be hailed as the perfect strategists and that refueling works
Ferrari's will run out of fuel on track
You forget the rest of my Formula tho!!!

Run anything that you want within the formula, as long as you opensource the design before the event. Hopefully with lots of media dissemination following to drive interest and eyeballs to the race. And it would remove 100% of all grey areas. The manufacturers could then move their tech to their road car production as they are not protecting development secrets that cost them billions with no return. I know not many believe in this system, but I must say that, for a living, I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee". I promise you, it would work, and it would become a Platinum Age.
So.... anything goes? so... uhm... movable wings, giant turbo and multi compound tires?

So I can design a car that follows the leader and blast past them on the last corner with 9G?
Must stay within the current Formula.

So, cant break the limiting aero boxes, engine concept, or safety systems, but anything within them is 100% allowed.

On Thursdays, teams upload all data to a Cloud that Media subscribers could use to drive articles going into Friday, and Fan Access opening after Qualifying through a F1TV subscription. No scrutineering needed, no reverse engineering budgets, no protests. And a team could literally build any competitors car, and fork development from there. The closeness would be spec-like, but the cars would still be bespoke to their teams.

Just common sense, self balancing systems that maximize fan interest, media interaction, track visitors, team development budgets (Minimum cap instead of maximum) and add value to the F1 brand.
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Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm
I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee".
What? :wtf:

Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:00 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm
I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee".
What? :wtf:

https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag
I FIX BROKEN COMPANIES THAT HAVE FAILED DUE TO IDIOTIC POLITICAL DECISIONS CORRUPTING THEIR BEST PRACTICES AND ALLOWING INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP TO HIDE THEIR INEPTITUDE.

You know, companies like F1.

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Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:04 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:00 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm
I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee".
What? :wtf:

https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag
I FIX BROKEN COMPANIES THAT HAVE FAILED DUE TO IDIOTIC POLITICAL DECISIONS CORRUPTING THEIR BEST PRACTICES AND ALLOWING INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP TO HIDE THEIR INEPTITUDE.

You know, companies like F1.
Well why didn't you just say that? :wink:
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Re: 2020 Grosser Preis der Steiermark - Spielberg, 10 - 12 July

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Schuttelberg wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:57 am
Vasconia wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:41 am
El Scorchio wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:51 am


So should Marko and Horner get as much grief on here for overhyping their team as Wolff does for downplaying Mercedes' chances?
I am personally really fed up with Toto`s "our competitors are super strong I don´t know if we can win blah,blah,blah..."
The bubble bursts on everyone. His time will come. I saw him completely fall apart under pressure in 2018 when Ferrari and Seb were on a roll. It was Hamilton's brilliance that rescued Mercedes in that little time but it won't last forever and there will be a lot of table smashing in the future. He is not a team leader. Not by a long shot.
Does anyone have an expectation that Mercedes would continue to win championships for ever? At the end of the season, they may wind up with a 7th straight double championship, a feat never before achieved by any team, describing that feat as a bubble?

I would have described it more like of an F1 dynasty. What am I missing?
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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:04 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:00 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm
I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee".
What? :wtf:
https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag
I FIX BROKEN COMPANIES THAT HAVE FAILED DUE TO IDIOTIC POLITICAL DECISIONS CORRUPTING THEIR BEST PRACTICES AND ALLOWING INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP TO HIDE THEIR INEPTITUDE.
You know, companies like F1.
Why didn't you just say that? Rather than word salad that makes it look like you're fronting.

Anyway, this is off topic. Although, I can't find where the most recent "Build an F1 rulebook" thread is anymore.

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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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I was trying to give the sense of why these changes would work without being a jerk to the companies that have fed my family for the last 20 years.

I fix things. I balance things. I incentivize things. I wasn't fronting, more adding the support of experience to the thought process.

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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:56 pm
Jolle wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:47 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm


You forget the rest of my Formula tho!!!

Run anything that you want within the formula, as long as you opensource the design before the event. Hopefully with lots of media dissemination following to drive interest and eyeballs to the race. And it would remove 100% of all grey areas. The manufacturers could then move their tech to their road car production as they are not protecting development secrets that cost them billions with no return. I know not many believe in this system, but I must say that, for a living, I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee". I promise you, it would work, and it would become a Platinum Age.
So.... anything goes? so... uhm... movable wings, giant turbo and multi compound tires?

So I can design a car that follows the leader and blast past them on the last corner with 9G?
Must stay within the current Formula.

So, cant break the limiting aero boxes, engine concept, or safety systems, but anything within them is 100% allowed.

On Thursdays, teams upload all data to a Cloud that Media subscribers could use to drive articles going into Friday, and Fan Access opening after Qualifying through a F1TV subscription. No scrutineering needed, no reverse engineering budgets, no protests. And a team could literally build any competitors car, and fork development from there. The closeness would be spec-like, but the cars would still be bespoke to their teams.

Just common sense, self balancing systems that maximize fan interest, media interaction, track visitors, team development budgets (Minimum cap instead of maximum) and add value to the F1 brand.
I like your idea and love the openness. In practice there are some "drawbacks". Although open source in theory should, in some kind of utopian theory stimulate innovation by sharing it, in a place like ultimate competition as F1, slows it. F1 is about having the edge over your competition, for as long as possible (not as much as possible). So, if we had those rules now, Mercedes would have the W11 and would make it just a tenth faster then the RB16. Only bolding on faster parts (and throwing them into the open source bin) if needed. For one season this really doesn't matter that much, because the baseline is quite good, but imagine this system going on since 2014, we would still be racing a slightly undated W05 with a whole field of 99% copies (everything but the latest update), because a F1 car only works if its designed as a whole and you understand the system.

maybe a bit like communism, on paper it looked good (great equality etc), but in practice you're stuck with 50's tech

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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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They finally released the Lewis & Max side by side qualifying comparison.

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dans79 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:42 pm
They finally released the Lewis & Max side by side qualifying comparison.
Wow, into, through and out of T6 was about half a second of the 1.2s on its own. That was mad. Hamilton just got that corner perfect.
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Looks like the only corner Max gained was T2. He was losing time everywhere else just about. S2 was horrendous.

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rogazilla wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:52 pm
Looks like the only corner Max gained was T2. He was losing time everywhere else just about. S2 was horrendous.
A little bit in T8 and a tiny bit between 9 and 10. But otherwise, it was a washout.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Onboard of Perez for his overtakes and key moments.



Still think Albon should be penalised for hitting him. Perez had the inside line and was well up alongside by the apex but Albon try to muscle it out around the outside, again. Result was damage to Perez's car and a loss of points. Why isn't that a penalty after last week?

Noticed Stroll giving him a squeeze on the entry to T3 too. Came across towards him in the braking zone, but post-Max moves under braking are now considered acceptable so maybe it is ok.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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dans79 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:42 pm
They finally released the Lewis & Max side by side qualifying comparison.

Rain is the great equalizer, taking out the engine power discrepancies from the mix so we're left with driver, suspension and chassis.
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