2020 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 17-19

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NathanOlder wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:44 am
dans79 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:51 pm
It's amazing how far ahead Lewis is before he catches up to traffic in sector 3.

Thats not even the fastest lap from 2020!? Formula 1 can't even get that right. The lap they show there was Lewis' first flying lap after his last stop (lap 68 I think) oh F1 people #-o
His fastest lap has that atrocious helmet facing camera turned on for entire S3, thats why they didnt take that lap. They moved hamilton forward at the start to keep him ahead until finish line, so yeah, completely doctored and pointless video.

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e30ernest wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:12 am
Restomaniac wrote:
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Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:56 pm


turn 4 and 11, both cars are almost identical, medium speed and traction the W11 is in another league
What is most interesting is that the W10 is actually quicker in a straight line.
Likely a lower downforce setup so a bit less drag.
to be just as quick through the most downforce dependent corners (4/11) id say its a more efficient aero set up rather than lower DF.
medium speed and traction advantage on the W11 if likely linked to the funky rear suspension

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Juzh wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:03 am
His fastest lap has that atrocious helmet facing camera turned on for entire S3, thats why they didnt take that lap.
I just went back and checked the archive and you are right, what a dumb move!
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Mchamilton wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:12 am
e30ernest wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:12 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:04 am


What is most interesting is that the W10 is actually quicker in a straight line.
Likely a lower downforce setup so a bit less drag.
to be just as quick through the most downforce dependent corners (4/11) id say its a more efficient aero set up rather than lower DF.
medium speed and traction advantage on the W11 if likely linked to the funky rear suspension
Allison confirmed they have more downforce and less drag this year if that’s any help....

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Just curious what if bottas would just have floored it when he knew it could be seen as jumpstart what would the penalty would have been compared to how many places he lost now. Funny vettel complaining about something which he did also and got away with.

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It was not his intention to play foul, he just made a mistake. Intentional foul play is usually punished (and rightfully so) harder. a DSQ perhaps? If you start flooring on very false starts it might be considered a danger.
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Intention is not really the base for punishment. And he could have (or even has) affected others with this start. And that is part of the defenition of a jump start for me.

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maxxer wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:09 pm
Just curious what if bottas would just have floored it when he knew it could be seen as jumpstart what would the penalty would have been compared to how many places he lost now. Funny vettel complaining about something which he did also and got away with.
If he’d zipped off past Hamilton there would have been a penalty, no doubt, just as if he’d have caused a crash. And this is why the penalty system is so stupid. They’ll slap a penalty (or not) onto an incident depending on the consequences of it rather than the incident itself.

Think about Vettel in Canada last year. Had Hamilton got past a corner or two later after the unsafe re-entry or whatever they called it, would they have penalised Vettel? Of course not.

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marvin78 wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:27 pm
Intention is not really the base for punishment. And he could have (or even has) affected others with this start. And that is part of the defenition of a jump start for me.
Is it not the same difference as charged with murder and charged with manslaughter?
The result is the same, a body, but one was accidental and gets a lower sentence.

Had done the above, there is no excuse of Oh, by foot slipped, for half a mile.
Also, And I do not know how this plays out, he wold have driven through a red light etc plus passed a car on the grid formation.
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Big Tea wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:55 pm
marvin78 wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:27 pm
Intention is not really the base for punishment. And he could have (or even has) affected others with this start. And that is part of the defenition of a jump start for me.
Is it not the same difference as charged with murder and charged with manslaughter?
The result is the same, a body, but one was accidental and gets a lower sentence.

Had done the above, there is no excuse of Oh, by foot slipped, for half a mile.
Also, And I do not know how this plays out, he wold have driven through a red light etc plus passed a car on the grid formation.

You are right. He should have been punished. Just not as hard as if he did it on purpose. ;)

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You most certainly can get punished for intention. Black flag, Super licence taken away. Etc. I think making a very false start and keeping flooring it would require a very good excuse as a reason for doing so (stuck throttle or something) as I expect a grave penalty will be given for it.
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maxxer wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:09 pm
Just curious what if bottas would just have floored it when he knew it could be seen as jumpstart what would the penalty would have been compared to how many places he lost now. Funny vettel complaining about something which he did also and got away with.
I've not seen Seb complaining? any links?
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NathanOlder wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:40 pm
maxxer wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:09 pm
Just curious what if bottas would just have floored it when he knew it could be seen as jumpstart what would the penalty would have been compared to how many places he lost now. Funny vettel complaining about something which he did also and got away with.
I've not seen Seb complaining? any links?
He was on the radio straight away after Bottas’ jump start.

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Oh, I thought it was more like an interview after complaining.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:36 pm
Oh, I thought it was more like an interview after complaining.
No he was moaning straight away. I had to laugh at the hypocrisy. :D