2020 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 31-02 July / August

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notsofast wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:34 am
Brundle claimed that Kvyat's accident was caused by a left-rear puncture. Has anything further been said about that?
It looked more like right rear suspension failure to me, there was carbon fiber in the air before he left the track.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:46 pm
I heard the Force India had ERS problems in the race. It should have been a huge points hauling race for them but they looked toothless.
I don't know, they didn't look much better in qualifying either.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:48 pm
DAS couldnt help!
DAS helped a treat on restarts to pull out the 1s gap to break DRS.

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Zynerji wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:39 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:48 pm
DAS couldnt help!
DAS helped a treat on restarts to pull out the 1s gap to break DRS.
Not sure it's necessarily down to DAS, as basic car performance is obviously a big factor too. It's not like they get a second up and stay there. They are constantly pulling away lap on lap. Hamilton has comfortably pulled a second on Bottas as well after every safety car while he's been in front (and on a couple of race starts too)

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El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:54 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:39 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:48 pm
DAS couldnt help!
DAS helped a treat on restarts to pull out the 1s gap to break DRS.
Not sure it's necessarily down to DAS, as basic car performance is obviously a big factor too. It's not like they get a second up and stay there. They are constantly pulling away lap on lap. Hamilton has comfortably pulled a second on Bottas as well after every safety car while he's been in front (and on a couple of race starts too)
Merc drivers were directly ordered over radio to use DAS to warm tyres for restart.

It's a known effect at this point.

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Zynerji wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:03 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:54 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:39 pm


DAS helped a treat on restarts to pull out the 1s gap to break DRS.
Not sure it's necessarily down to DAS, as basic car performance is obviously a big factor too. It's not like they get a second up and stay there. They are constantly pulling away lap on lap. Hamilton has comfortably pulled a second on Bottas as well after every safety car while he's been in front (and on a couple of race starts too)
Merc drivers were directly ordered over radio to use DAS to warm tyres for restart.

It's a known effect at this point.
I think you completely missed his point. DAS would most likely help you over the first lap maybe two, but if you are continuing to pull the gap on everyone else that's the car not just DAS.
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dans79 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:08 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:03 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:54 pm


Not sure it's necessarily down to DAS, as basic car performance is obviously a big factor too. It's not like they get a second up and stay there. They are constantly pulling away lap on lap. Hamilton has comfortably pulled a second on Bottas as well after every safety car while he's been in front (and on a couple of race starts too)
Merc drivers were directly ordered over radio to use DAS to warm tyres for restart.

It's a known effect at this point.
I think you completely missed his point. DAS would most likely help you over the first lap maybe two, but if you are continuing to pull the gap on everyone else that's the car not just DAS.
They are using DAS for restarts like RBR used the cold blowing in the V8 era. Just to break the DRS gap. Then it's back to normal.

I do not see this as a real-time driver adjustment, more of a situational one.
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Phil wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:49 am
notsofast wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:34 am
Brundle claimed that Kvyat's accident was caused by a left-rear puncture. Has anything further been said about that?
I'm not sure, but ORF analyzed it and you can see in the slow-mo footage of the broadcast that there is a puncture just as he is about to leave the track and that part of the tire wasn't on the curb or anything.

EDIT: I'd have to watch it again, but I am fairly certain it was rear-right, not rear-left?
Yeah, Wurz used ORF new television thing to zoom in on the right-rear. From memory Wurz was also suspecting a rim failure rather than a puncture was a possibility.

Kvyat also confirmed in his Twitter that it wasn't a driving mistake but only mentioned that it was still under investigation.

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Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:11 am
RedBull were not at all. Trying to suggest so is an attempt to massively alter historic facts. RedBull themselves stated as such. They had it but didn’t need it where as it was an integral part of the W08.

Clearly these facts don’t fit with the narrative that Mercedes have never had to face adversity though so.......

To bring it back to this race Mercedes have done an amazing job where as others (I’m looking at you Ferrari and RedBull) aren’t.
Red Bull had a highly intricate system in 2016 more than comparable to the one Merc used. So they decided long before Ferrari queried the FIA in December that such an system was no advantage so they were not going to design it integrally to their 2017 car like Merc did?

At least Red Bull and Ferrari didn't chow their tyres this weekend... :lol: They are slow but at least their tyres are fine.
Hopefully the softer compounds this coming weekend spice things up a bit more.

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Was the crash Kvyat's fault ? Didn't look like it and Martin Brundle certainly didn't think so either, but Daniil was apologizing profusely on the radio, which is somewhat confusing.

edit: This article says he was busy with the switches, and just lost it on a kerb at high speed. IF that's indeed the case, ouch.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniil-kv ... ash-cause/
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dans79 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:08 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:03 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:54 pm


Not sure it's necessarily down to DAS, as basic car performance is obviously a big factor too. It's not like they get a second up and stay there. They are constantly pulling away lap on lap. Hamilton has comfortably pulled a second on Bottas as well after every safety car while he's been in front (and on a couple of race starts too)
Merc drivers were directly ordered over radio to use DAS to warm tyres for restart.

It's a known effect at this point.
I think you completely missed his point. DAS would most likely help you over the first lap maybe two, but if you are continuing to pull the gap on everyone else that's the car not just DAS.
Exactly! TBH I'm not sure exactly what the quantifiable effect of DAS is. It's very hard to separate basic car performance from whatever it gives you on top.
As you say, if it went -1.0s, -0.5s, -0.0s, -0.0s etc. in terms of gap, you'd (almost) definitely be able to say it was DAS. But it's not that. It's a steady gain lap on lap.

As for qualifying, again it's hard to know what the effect is unless they demonstrably run a 'control' lap and a DAS lap. Correct me if I'm wrong but there's been no proper technically based write up/evidence of the DAS effect yet, has there? (If there is one please link it because I'd be really interested to read.) -other than people speculating about what it may or may not bring. Everyone knows the assumed benefit but I feel like Merc are the only ones who really know the actual benefit by quantifiable means at the moment.

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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:25 pm
Was the crash Kvyat's fault ? Didn't look like it and Martin Brundle certainly didn't think so either, but Daniil was apologizing profusely on the radio, which is somewhat confusing.

edit: This article says he was busy with the switches, and just lost it on a kerb at high speed. IF that's indeed the case, ouch.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniil-kv ... ash-cause/
He references hitting the red kerb. Looking at the footage, he didn't hit it. I think he was distracted and has no idea what happened so, because he was distracted, he blamed himself.

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I am not sure if this has been discussed before. But why wasn't Gasly asked to give back the position to Vettel (or give a time penalty) His overtake was clearly off the track. Is this one of the examples that FIA only tend to focus on giving penalties more on the front of the grid. Shouldn't Ferrari be screaming to the FIA about that or they just dont seem to care much about Vettel?

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Mamba wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:14 pm
Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:11 am
RedBull were not at all. Trying to suggest so is an attempt to massively alter historic facts. RedBull themselves stated as such. They had it but didn’t need it where as it was an integral part of the W08.

Clearly these facts don’t fit with the narrative that Mercedes have never had to face adversity though so.......

To bring it back to this race Mercedes have done an amazing job where as others (I’m looking at you Ferrari and RedBull) aren’t.
Red Bull had a highly intricate system in 2016 more than comparable to the one Merc used. So they decided long before Ferrari queried the FIA in December that such an system was no advantage so they were not going to design it integrally to their 2017 car like Merc did?

At least Red Bull and Ferrari didn't chow their tyres this weekend... :lol: They are slow but at least their tyres are fine.
Hopefully the softer compounds this coming weekend spice things up a bit more.
So you say ‘So they decided long before Ferrari queried the FIA in December that such an system was no advantage so they were not going to design it integrally to their 2017 car like Merc did?‘

Glad you are now agreeing that this comment from you was wrong ‘If anything Red Bull were more affected by that ban than Mercedes.’

I think we can now safely say that nobody will be going for a 1 stop so that’s a moot point.