2020 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 31-02 July / August

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Wynters wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:43 pm
Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:25 pm
Was the crash Kvyat's fault ? Didn't look like it and Martin Brundle certainly didn't think so either, but Daniil was apologizing profusely on the radio, which is somewhat confusing.

edit: This article says he was busy with the switches, and just lost it on a kerb at high speed. IF that's indeed the case, ouch.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniil-kv ... ash-cause/
He references hitting the red kerb. Looking at the footage, he didn't hit it. I think he was distracted and has no idea what happened so, because he was distracted, he blamed himself.
If you watch the replay over and over (as I did), it really does look like something happened to the tire/suspension as it was kind of flapping around and not sitting correctly on the upright, just split seconds after he started to lose control.

It's possible that could have been the result of his error and not the case of it, but I don't think so. I'm siding with Brundle's take on this one.

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TheFluffy wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:51 pm
I am not sure if this has been discussed before. But why wasn't Gasly asked to give back the position to Vettel (or give a time penalty) His overtake was clearly off the track. Is this one of the examples that FIA only tend to focus on giving penalties more on the front of the grid. Shouldn't Ferrari be screaming to the FIA about that or they just dont seem to care much about Vettel?
Gasly cleanly passed Vettel, Vettel tried to repass gasly and in doing so pushed gasly off track, gasly kept his position because Vettel pushed him off track. It's hard to reconcile because the entire confrontation was only showed once. Showing just the final part makes it look like gasly passed by going off track when in fact he had already passed Vettel a couple corners earlier.

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Ringleheim wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:47 pm
Wynters wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:43 pm
Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:25 pm
Was the crash Kvyat's fault ? Didn't look like it and Martin Brundle certainly didn't think so either, but Daniil was apologizing profusely on the radio, which is somewhat confusing.

edit: This article says he was busy with the switches, and just lost it on a kerb at high speed. IF that's indeed the case, ouch.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniil-kv ... ash-cause/
He references hitting the red kerb. Looking at the footage, he didn't hit it. I think he was distracted and has no idea what happened so, because he was distracted, he blamed himself.
If you watch the replay over and over (as I did), it really does look like something happened to the tire/suspension as it was kind of flapping around and not sitting correctly on the upright, just split seconds after he started to lose control.

It's possible that could have been the result of his error and not the case of it, but I don't think so. I'm siding with Brundle's take on this one.
As I said a long time ago...
viewtopic.php?p=915180#p915180

It was clearly a wheel or suspension failure in the right rear. There are hard carbon fiber pieces high in the air before KVT even goes off track. Although a wheel failure is a possibility.
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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:02 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:28 pm
I'm going to just say, I'm really happy with today.

2016 was difficult to take, specially Malaysia. However, I always believed that Rosberg was somewhere between a great and good driver. It's hard to still believe he won a title but the current line up of Mercedes makes it seem like a dream. I'm glad Bottas has a points deficit now and Hamilton has a 'bad luck buffer.' It's very obvious that Mercedes will finish 1-2 in most races unless something goes wrong and Bottas could've lucked into a title with Hamilton having a couple of DNF's.
Bottas in my book would make the worst world champion of all time and I like Hamilton, less than Schumacher but still like him and feel he deserves his success.

As for the race, it was as expected barring the final lap.
Bottas is better than Rosberg and Vettel.
And I am better looking than Brad Pitt.
"Sebastian there's very, you're a member of a very select few.. Stewart, Lauda, Piquet, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio.. VETTEL!"

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langedweil wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:43 am
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:47 pm
Great result for Ricciardo and Renault with some much needed points

Midfield is super competitive, with all the exitment of the late punctures I didn't see how Riccardio got past Norris, I've re-watched it but I'm non the wiser, there's no mention of it on the Sky commentary
Just had a look; lap 49 at Stowe, almost had it done a lap before.

I've upped the vid
https://youtu.be/aMK9a_szRic
Thanks for that :)

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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:25 pm
Was the crash Kvyat's fault ? Didn't look like it and Martin Brundle certainly didn't think so either, but Daniil was apologizing profusely on the radio, which is somewhat confusing.

edit: This article says he was busy with the switches, and just lost it on a kerb at high speed. IF that's indeed the case, ouch.
There's footage from the rear facing camera ... clearly tyre failure

TheFluffy wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:51 pm
His overtake was clearly off the track.
Keep in mind that they themselves defined the track limits in that corner as the outside of the black/white curb ... this was the farthest he was, so it was really marginal
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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:59 pm
langedweil wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:43 am
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:47 pm
Great result for Ricciardo and Renault with some much needed points

Midfield is super competitive, with all the exitment of the late punctures I didn't see how Riccardio got past Norris, I've re-watched it but I'm non the wiser, there's no mention of it on the Sky commentary
Just had a look; lap 49 at Stowe, almost had it done a lap before.

I've upped the vid
https://youtu.be/aMK9a_szRic
Thanks for that :)
Almost looked like NOR had a car problem, low on fuel , brake issue. Something. Looked far too easy.

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RZS10 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:45 pm
Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:25 pm
Was the crash Kvyat's fault ? Didn't look like it and Martin Brundle certainly didn't think so either, but Daniil was apologizing profusely on the radio, which is somewhat confusing.

edit: This article says he was busy with the switches, and just lost it on a kerb at high speed. IF that's indeed the case, ouch.
There's footage from the rear facing camera ... clearly tyre failure
https://streamable.com/pvsn5e
TheFluffy wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:51 pm
His overtake was clearly off the track.
Keep in mind that they themselves defined the track limits in that corner as the outside of the black/white curb ... this was the farthest he was, so it was really marginal
https://i.imgur.com/veyEWsx.png
Could have been a wheel failure as well

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Nice find.

That was a hard shunt but he should find solace at the fact that he had zero fault.
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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:02 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:28 pm
I'm going to just say, I'm really happy with today.

2016 was difficult to take, specially Malaysia. However, I always believed that Rosberg was somewhere between a great and good driver. It's hard to still believe he won a title but the current line up of Mercedes makes it seem like a dream. I'm glad Bottas has a points deficit now and Hamilton has a 'bad luck buffer.' It's very obvious that Mercedes will finish 1-2 in most races unless something goes wrong and Bottas could've lucked into a title with Hamilton having a couple of DNF's.
Bottas in my book would make the worst world champion of all time and I like Hamilton, less than Schumacher but still like him and feel he deserves his success.

As for the race, it was as expected barring the final lap.
Bottas is better than Rosberg and Vettel.
And you dislike Germans, for some reason. Keep going, but do remind me when Bottas wins a title, or 4.

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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:02 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:28 pm
I'm going to just say, I'm really happy with today.

2016 was difficult to take, specially Malaysia. However, I always believed that Rosberg was somewhere between a great and good driver. It's hard to still believe he won a title but the current line up of Mercedes makes it seem like a dream. I'm glad Bottas has a points deficit now and Hamilton has a 'bad luck buffer.' It's very obvious that Mercedes will finish 1-2 in most races unless something goes wrong and Bottas could've lucked into a title with Hamilton having a couple of DNF's.
Bottas in my book would make the worst world champion of all time and I like Hamilton, less than Schumacher but still like him and feel he deserves his success.

As for the race, it was as expected barring the final lap.
Bottas is better than Rosberg and Vettel.
Funny, you're the first one to reduce Vettel's titles to the performance of his car. Bottas who managed to get 2nd place in the championship only once since he's been driving for Mercedes despite having had the best/champion winning car every time is better now?
... =D>

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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:59 pm
Nice find.

That was a hard shunt but he should find solace at the fact that he had zero fault.
Which means we actually had 4 cars with structural tyre failures.

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LM10 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:24 pm
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:02 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:28 pm
I'm going to just say, I'm really happy with today.

2016 was difficult to take, specially Malaysia. However, I always believed that Rosberg was somewhere between a great and good driver. It's hard to still believe he won a title but the current line up of Mercedes makes it seem like a dream. I'm glad Bottas has a points deficit now and Hamilton has a 'bad luck buffer.' It's very obvious that Mercedes will finish 1-2 in most races unless something goes wrong and Bottas could've lucked into a title with Hamilton having a couple of DNF's.
Bottas in my book would make the worst world champion of all time and I like Hamilton, less than Schumacher but still like him and feel he deserves his success.

As for the race, it was as expected barring the final lap.
Bottas is better than Rosberg and Vettel.
Funny, you're the first one to reduce Vettel's titles to the performance of his car. Bottas who managed to get 2nd place in the championship only once since he's been driving for Mercedes despite having had the best/champion winning car every time is better now?
Keep on hating. =D>
I don't base that statement on their finishing position in the wdc, I base it on their speed relative to their teammate, racecraft and their ability to not make mistakes. BOT beats HAM in qually far more often than ROS did. LEC is demolishing VET, AGAIN. BOT makes less mistakes and causes less collisions than VET or ROS. BOT is better than VET and ROS.

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RZS10 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:45 pm
There's footage from the rear facing camera ... clearly tyre failure
https://streamable.com/pvsn5e
Pirelli is going to have a lot of explaining to do when the teams and the press core all see this footage. Instantaneous tire failure on a high speed section of track.
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