2020 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

[etusch]

[Big Tea]

Hmmmm, not one mask

[El Scorchio]

Some have asked when a VSC would be appropriate. That's a valid question. Based on past behavior, the FIA and/or race director seem to have decided the following:

• Disabled cars shall be removed from the track

• When marshals are on track, the safety car shall be deployed

• When a barrier needs extensive repairs, the race shall be red-flagged

Given the above, can anyone come up with scenarios where a VSC is appropriate? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. Car that has spun and wants to get back on track? Probably double yellow. Animal running on the track? Probably a safety car. I like the concept of the VSC but I'm not sure there's any use for it if the items above are followed.

They may as well get rid of it as I don’t think they have any intention of using it in F1 in the near future regardless of circumstances.

[Jolle]

I wonder, on Vettel’s car, the left rear gave way and even caught fire. Could this has happened to Leclec as well? Broke his suspension enough to crash on a right hander. When the marshal took his left wheel out of the barrier, it was still burning/smoking.

In the footage, I saw two items fly from the rear of his car. They could have been aero bits, but maybe they were the actual brake pads coming out. No idea if that's possible with all of the stuff wrapped around the brake caliper, however.

Whatever caused it resulted in a total loss of braking. With split systems and a balance bar, losing one side will give a long pedal even if the other side is still full of fluid. (By side, I mean one side of the balance bar i.e. either the front or the rear brake system).

Brakepads can only fall out if the calliper is off the disk or the disk is gone. Probably the small winglets that melted off.

[LM10]

Hmmmm, not one mask

Sarcasm?

[dans79]

Some have asked when a VSC would be appropriate. That's a valid question. Based on past behavior, the FIA and/or race director seem to have decided the following:

• Disabled cars shall be removed from the track

• When marshals are on track, the safety car shall be deployed

• When a barrier needs extensive repairs, the race shall be red-flagged

Given the above, can anyone come up with scenarios where a VSC is appropriate? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. Car that has spun and wants to get back on track? Probably double yellow. Animal running on the track? Probably a safety car. I like the concept of the VSC but I'm not sure there's any use for it if the items above are followed.

They may as well get rid of it as I don’t think they have any intention of using it in F1 in the near future regardless of circumstances.

Yeah, it seems like the FIA are using safety cars now to try and keep a segment of the fanbase happy!

[JordanMugen]

Some have asked when a VSC would be appropriate. That's a valid question. Based on past behavior, the FIA and/or race director seem to have decided the following:

• Disabled cars shall be removed from the track

• When marshals are on track, the safety car shall be deployed

• When a barrier needs extensive repairs, the race shall be red-flagged

Given the above, can anyone come up with scenarios where a VSC is appropriate? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. Car that has spun and wants to get back on track? Probably double yellow. Animal running on the track? Probably a safety car. I like the concept of the VSC but I'm not sure there's any use for it if the items above are followed.

Race director Michael Masi is from V8 Supercars, there is no VSC in V8 Supercars.

I am sure VSC can be retained in regulations for whatever incident it is required, but it is entirely sensible that full safety car is deployed every time marshalls need to go on track.

Recovering cars under double-waved-yellows like in F1 15 years ago was outrageous. V8 Supercars was using full safety car for such things 15 years ago, and it is thankful F1 is no longer so cavalier with letting volunteer marshalls take risks or have drivers risk crashing into heavy machinery or trucks.

[NL_Fer]

VSC should be fine for car stopped off track with a technical problem.

No crashing, no carbon, no doctor, just a broke down car to be towed.

[El Scorchio]

Some have asked when a VSC would be appropriate. That's a valid question. Based on past behavior, the FIA and/or race director seem to have decided the following:

• Disabled cars shall be removed from the track

• When marshals are on track, the safety car shall be deployed

• When a barrier needs extensive repairs, the race shall be red-flagged

Given the above, can anyone come up with scenarios where a VSC is appropriate? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. Car that has spun and wants to get back on track? Probably double yellow. Animal running on the track? Probably a safety car. I like the concept of the VSC but I'm not sure there's any use for it if the items above are followed.

Race director Michael Masi is from V8 Supercars, there is no VSC in V8 Supercars.

I am sure VSC can be retained in regulations for whatever incident it is required, but it is entirely sensible that full safety car is deployed every time marshalls need to go on track.

Recovering cars under double-waved-yellows like in F1 15 years ago was outrageous. V8 Supercars was using full safety car for such things 15 years ago, and it is thankful F1 is no longer so cavalier with letting volunteer marshalls take risks or have drivers risk crashing into heavy machinery or trucks.

But it's being deployed when they don't as well, which is the problem.
As for Masi, he shouldn't adapt F1 to his sensibilities from running a different kind of car racing altogether. He should adapt his own to F1. Or like I said, if they aren't going to use it, then get rid of it and remove it from the equasion entirely.

[El Scorchio]

Some have asked when a VSC would be appropriate. That's a valid question. Based on past behavior, the FIA and/or race director seem to have decided the following:

• Disabled cars shall be removed from the track

• When marshals are on track, the safety car shall be deployed

• When a barrier needs extensive repairs, the race shall be red-flagged

Given the above, can anyone come up with scenarios where a VSC is appropriate? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. Car that has spun and wants to get back on track? Probably double yellow. Animal running on the track? Probably a safety car. I like the concept of the VSC but I'm not sure there's any use for it if the items above are followed.

They may as well get rid of it as I don’t think they have any intention of using it in F1 in the near future regardless of circumstances.

Yeah, it seems like the FIA are using safety cars now to try and keep a segment of the fanbase happy!

I do wonder if he'd be so quick to call for full SC if there was an incident in the last 15 laps of yesterday's race, or maybe decide under THOSE circumstances it was finally appropriate to use the VSC for the first time this season....

[Big Tea]

Hmmmm, not one mask

Sarcasm?

Wondering on the timeframe of the vid. looks more like football

[Sieper]

This was in the local COVID-19 excempt zone. For virus non believers. The actually were celebrating it was confirmed by the spaghetti monster that the earth is flat.

Yes, very old meme.

[Just_a_fan]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but here's Hamilton's red flag radio comms. Starts by asking if Leclerc is ok on approach to the pits, goes through the discussion about the best time to take the penalty. Ends with the pull out of the pit lane.



Also, radio comms from the weekend in general.

[Manoah2u]

Hulkenberg?

It doesn't matter what the name is.

depends on who you'd ask,
I think it matters a lot to Max that it's Gasly's name that's nr 1 on the Monza GP list, and not his

[Manoah2u]

Crazy to think Hamilton is now not far off a race ban.

crazy to think that a race ban would even influence the outcome, he's gonna be 7-title WDC this year no matter what. 'haters gonna hate'.