2020 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, September 25 - 27

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I suppose they had to fit it in around the existing Olympic park and an almost perfectly level landscape, but it is a very boring track. Just a series of straights, sharp 90 degree turns and that big left hander. The most uninspiring track ever to be designed from scratch? A good racetrack cannot come from it being shoehorned in around existing things.

At least Baku has some good scenery and the old town bit for variety.

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And a very narrow passage with a very real chance of crashing like in Monaco.
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This track reminds me a lot of Valencia when they use to hold a Grand Prix... although somehow even more boring. At least Valencia produced a couple of entertaining races, whilst I don't see much happening here this weekend... again. If anything happens, it'll be at the start down into Turn 1... but given the Power of the Mercedes, they'll probably still have enough to make into the first corner 1st and 2nd.

Unless the weather plays a part, seems like a straight forward Mercedes 1,2... and a Red Bull 3,4. Hopefully that podium Albon got will boost his confidence a bit somewhat. Looked to be a stronger turn of form in Mugello.

The usual battle of Racing Point, McLaren, Renault and Alpha Tauri we'll resume... the pink cars will have a bit of a power advantage down that massive straight, and if Perez runs the upgrades that Stroll seemed to put to good use last time out, they should be strong. Might cause an upset at the start if they can get ahead of a Red Bull... or 2!

Not expecting much from Ferrari (yes, I know its the norm for 2020 now)... S1 is going to be a salted wound for them and don't see them making up much ground during the race; Turn 1 is arguably the only corner (maybe Turn 14) that overtaking usually occurs, so it'll be another long race for us Tifosi.

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Schippke wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:41 pm
This track reminds me a lot of Valencia when they use to hold a Grand Prix... although somehow even more boring. At least Valencia produced a couple of entertaining races, whilst I don't see much happening here this weekend... again. If anything happens, it'll be at the start down into Turn 1... but given the Power of the Mercedes, they'll probably still have enough to make into the first corner 1st and 2nd.

Unless the weather plays a part, seems like a straight forward Mercedes 1,2... and a Red Bull 3,4. Hopefully that podium Albon got will boost his confidence a bit somewhat. Looked to be a stronger turn of form in Mugello.

The usual battle of Racing Point, McLaren, Renault and Alpha Tauri we'll resume... the pink cars will have a bit of a power advantage down that massive straight, and if Perez runs the upgrades that Stroll seemed to put to good use last time out, they should be strong. Might cause an upset at the start if they can get ahead of a Red Bull... or 2!

Not expecting much from Ferrari (yes, I know its the norm for 2020 now)... S1 is going to be a salted wound for them and don't see them making up much ground during the race; Turn 1 is arguably the only corner (maybe Turn 14) that overtaking usually occurs, so it'll be another long race for us Tifosi.
Valencia is Suzuka relative to Sochi.

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34% chance of precipitation at this point in the week. Too early to cross fingers without losing circulation.

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El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:46 pm
I suppose they had to fit it in around the existing Olympic park and an almost perfectly level landscape, but it is a very boring track. Just a series of straights, sharp 90 degree turns and that big left hander. The most uninspiring track ever to be designed from scratch? A good racetrack cannot come from it being shoehorned in around existing things.

At least Baku has some good scenery and the old town bit for variety.
It has a nice flow to it when you drive it.
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godlameroso wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:30 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:46 pm
I suppose they had to fit it in around the existing Olympic park and an almost perfectly level landscape, but it is a very boring track. Just a series of straights, sharp 90 degree turns and that big left hander. The most uninspiring track ever to be designed from scratch? A good racetrack cannot come from it being shoehorned in around existing things.

At least Baku has some good scenery and the old town bit for variety.
It has a nice flow to it when you drive it.
I don't even get that when I have done. Feels like the same corner over and over again with very little variety TBH. Just like with Baku- old town aside- and Singapore actually. Singapore just feels like a test of attrition and patience as much as anything else.

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El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:43 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:30 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:46 pm
I suppose they had to fit it in around the existing Olympic park and an almost perfectly level landscape, but it is a very boring track. Just a series of straights, sharp 90 degree turns and that big left hander. The most uninspiring track ever to be designed from scratch? A good racetrack cannot come from it being shoehorned in around existing things.

At least Baku has some good scenery and the old town bit for variety.
It has a nice flow to it when you drive it.
I don't even get that when I have done. Feels like the same corner over and over again with very little variety TBH. Just like with Baku- old town aside- and Singapore actually. Singapore just feels like a test of attrition and patience as much as anything else.
The turn in point is very tricky to nail because you approach it at such high speed. If you over brake then you cut the corner on the inside and lose time, if you under brake you miss the apex and run wide. The margin for getting the corner right is very small and getting it wrong costs a lot of time so you have to establish a rhythm for nailing the corners.

That said, it is a very annoying track, and some turns could be made faster to improve the show.
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My money's on Torpedo... Because I don't even know what to expect anymore or how to feel.... Italy left me with PTSD.... we heard the Italian National Anthem but at the cost of Ferrari... :oops: he's Russian right? So under 2020 bizzaro rules that means probably he wins?
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my prediction for this weekend bottas gets pole but Lewis overtakes with the slipstream in to t1 and runs off into the distance and wins the race.

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Horrific Grand Prix, terrible layout and a total snooze fest.

I agree, with Russia’s resources they ought to have a really ambitious track layout somewhere.

What is the weather like at this time of year? The only thing we haven’t seen is this track under mixed conditions.

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godlameroso wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:04 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:43 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:30 pm


It has a nice flow to it when you drive it.
I don't even get that when I have done. Feels like the same corner over and over again with very little variety TBH. Just like with Baku- old town aside- and Singapore actually. Singapore just feels like a test of attrition and patience as much as anything else.
The turn in point is very tricky to nail because you approach it at such high speed. If you over brake then you cut the corner on the inside and lose time, if you under brake you miss the apex and run wide. The margin for getting the corner right is very small and getting it wrong costs a lot of time so you have to establish a rhythm for nailing the corners.

That said, it is a very annoying track, and some turns could be made faster to improve the show.
This is true- you do have to be very accurate, but they could really really do with making (or to have made) some parts of it varied- I mean it's no comparison to a track like Spa, Suzuka or Silverstone for example, (or TBH many others- even Tilke ones) with a real variety of corner types or elements.

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Google translate.
The analyzes carried out in Brixworth by the Mercedes technicians showed that Lance Stroll's power unit did not survive the Canadian driver's terrible bang in the Tuscan GP unscathed. In addition to having demolished half of the RP20 with the new aerodynamic configuration, the engine was also damaged in the crash before the Arrabbiata 2, so the Canadian will face the Russian GP with the third unit of the season.
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No rain, tail wind down the main straight on race day.
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Big news.. not really fitting in this thread though.
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