He beat Alonso by virtue of being 2nd in the championship compared to Alonso being 3rd. That they had equal points is true, but on count back (equal wins but Hamilton had more 2nd place finishes), the rookie got it.
Ascari won a race every season if you count non-championship races, and a few others came close, but by 'official' standards indeed Hamilton is the only one.TheGkbrk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:17 pmYes.
Fangio won in all full seasons he competed in but in 1958 he attended some races which he never won.
Stewart comes close as well with only one winless season.
It would depend on how a cheap win is defined.Ringleheim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:36 amWe are in an era now where one driver can break all the records if he gets lucky enough to find himself in the right team at the right time, and is capable of consistently beating only one driver: his teammate.
Hamilton has scored literally dozens of wins on the cheap. Just a Vettel did before him. Although, in fairness, it can be argued Schumi did the same thing. In some of his seasons (2002 comes to mind) the gap between the Ferrari and everyone else was gigantic and Schumi just had to keep Barichello in check.
The guys who stand out in this era are people like Piquet, Prost, Senna, Mansell. Not nearly as many cheap wins in their day.
zibby43 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:04 amSome of the minor records are pretty wild when you try and put your head around them... 61.45% rate of podium finishes.dans79 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:23 amSome time I think the best response would be to to just send them a link to this page and tell them to search for "Hamilton".ringo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:53 amF1 fans nowadays too easily dismiss the dificulties in being successful in F1 and operating at an elite level. Not many will like it, but the truth is Hamilton proved him self enough in 2007 and 2008 muchless at this stage in his career where has more wins than ten times leclerc and verstappen wins combined. Its ridiculous how some posters here make some really absent minded claims about who needs to proven. lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... er_records
And those are just the major records where he has sole possession of, or is tied for first!
- 262 consecutive race starts Rosberg is second with 206
- 92 wins
- 8 Hungarian grand prix wins
- 97 poles
- 8 Australian grand prix poles
- 161 podium finishes
- 4 different seasons with 17 podium finishes, Seb and Shumi each only have 1 17 podium season
- races finished in the points 225
- 45 consecutive points finishes
- 932 consecutive points scored
- 14.07 points per race average
- 413 points in a season
- 45 consecutive race finishes
- 22 races where he has lead every lap
- 159 races where he lead at least 1 lap
- led for 25,2259 km
- 57 pole and win in the same race
That's 161 F1 race trophies.
But more importantly than the records IMO it's the names he has for company around his multiple records. Senna, Schumacher, Clark, Fangio keep popping up again and again. Not bad company when you consider what those names have in common. Being the greatest of their generation.
So its OK to 'screw' Bottas?selvam_e2002 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:16 amMercedes screwed Ocon... now Russel. disappointed with them and wasting their young talent. If he sits one year out of F1, he will struggle to in next year along with Ham. very much disappointed.
Kick botas out and bring back Russel.
Does that somehow make them not as good or valid then? I'm sure Prost's were at the time, and also Schumacher's. Probably Fangio's too, going all the way back to when he was racing.Sieper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:24 pmThese are also quite literally the most expensive wins ever in the sport.
This also happened in football. In the 90s my local club was able to upset a bigger team every now and then. Now, no way. The big money rules the sport. Too big. Maybe even for F1 also as it cannot attract any new manufacturers, nor has it been able to keep the current.
I don't see how Mercedes have screwed Russell. If anyone has, it's WIlliams if they cancel his contract, a year after refusing to release him from it.Big Tea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:55 pmSo its OK to 'screw' Bottas?selvam_e2002 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:16 amMercedes screwed Ocon... now Russel. disappointed with them and wasting their young talent. If he sits one year out of F1, he will struggle to in next year along with Ham. very much disappointed.
Kick botas out and bring back Russel.
Have another look at the standings for 2007. And Ham was a rookie, Alonso was 2 time champion, 6 poles vs 2... !