2020 Portuguese Grand Prix - Portimão, October 23 - 25

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Wouter wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 13:16
Sieper wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 12:59
Yes, a willingness to accept RP took risks with everybody. If you have symptoms, self isolate.
On Friday he still felt good, but in the evening the stomach flu started. From that moment on, he stayed in his camper and hoped it would be over for FP3. That turned out not to be the case, but he stayed in his own camper, alone, despite having been tested negative three times.
Because he had three negative tests and no other covid symptoms, the team thought it was a common stomach flu.
They say the money in his blood was messing up the Covid test readings. :idea:
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 17:07
Wouter wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 13:16
Sieper wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 12:59
Yes, a willingness to accept RP took risks with everybody. If you have symptoms, self isolate.
On Friday he still felt good, but in the evening the stomach flu started. From that moment on, he stayed in his camper and hoped it would be over for FP3. That turned out not to be the case, but he stayed in his own camper, alone, despite having been tested negative three times.
Because he had three negative tests and no other covid symptoms, the team thought it was a common stomach flu.
They say the money in his blood was messing up the Covid test readings. :idea:
He thought the change would do him good
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Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:59
P.S. I do find it funny to see people using decimal inches.
Never look at a set of non metric mechanical blueprints then.


This is goes into the info block of every set of prints I make. The tolerances are the defaults if one isn't specificy given for a feature.
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
DIMENSIONS ARE IN INCHES

TOLERANCES:
  ANGULAR ± 0.5°
  FRACTIONAL ± 1/32
  X.X ± 0.015
  X.XX ± 0.010
  X.XXX ± 0.005
  X.XXXX ± 0.0005
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 15:10
Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:59
NathanOlder wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:32


about 2mm, so not much at all.
Brilliantly played, sir! =D> :lol:


P.S. I do find it funny to see people using decimal inches.
Happens all the time. All the Hondas I work on have their valve clearance set in decimal inches. .08 is the low side of the specs on f2xc series.
Not really, the engineering to determine the valve clearance was done in mm, its just that the US service manual has the clearance converted for you because it is nearly impossible to get metric measuring tools in the US. Years ago on a trip to Germany I picked up a set of metric feeler gauges and metric tape measure, makes some jobs much easier not having to fool with inches.

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dans79 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 17:45
Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:59
P.S. I do find it funny to see people using decimal inches.
Never look at a set of non metric mechanical blueprints then.


This is goes into the info block of every set of prints I make. The tolerances are the defaults if one isn't specificy given for a feature.
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
DIMENSIONS ARE IN INCHES

TOLERANCES:
  ANGULAR ± 0.5°
  FRACTIONAL ± 1/32
  X.X ± 0.015
  X.XX ± 0.010
  X.XXX ± 0.005
  X.XXXX ± 0.0005
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nzjrs wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 14:49
SiLo wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 12:45
Is there more context here? He went to Germany, showed symptoms, got tested, was positive, isolated and didn't race. Am I missing something?
That's not an accurate summary of what the journalist describes happened.

He went to Germany got tested (every N days?, daily?) -> was negative -> felt sick -> got replaced -> remained isolated (allegedly, likely) -> the race -> went home -> got tested again -> positive -> quarantine (does not affect next race) -> negative -> can race (lucky).

The problem is that if they avoided him taking any tests over the race weekend, or failed to volunteer for extra testing once he was isolating on Friday?/Saturday, then that is a bit disingenuous and seems like the behavior of a team that was avoiding the consequences of a (what is now almost certainly would have been) positive test.

I'm not commenting on the necessity of testing or the general covid strategy more broadly, but more on the (alleged, by the journalist I quoted) gaming of the system.
I think generally the issue with these COVID tests is that they only show a "snapshot" of the given time. It doesn't necessarily mean that the person does not have COVID, it just shows if the virus is present in the place that is being checked/swabbed. Given incubation periods etc, it could still be possible that one has a negative tests, but develops symptoms at a later point. Or maybe the person wasn't swabbed in a place where the virus is present.

One assumes that if you have symptoms, then a COVID test should yield a positive result. I guess here too, it depends on the kind of symptoms, as COVID isn't necessarily confined to the throat/lung etc.

I think part of the testing protocol of F1 is to have a concept that is considered "acceptably safe". It's never going to be 100%, even if you have a high interval of tests. That's where the bubbles come into play too. On the off chance that someone gets it, you quarantine the entire bubble.

At least that's how I interpret it.

Does anyone know if the testing protocol only includes swabs or do they also check for the anti bodies? Of course, testing for anti bodies has the same flaw; You will only test positive if your body develops these anti bodies.
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MHR650 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 18:30
godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 15:10
Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:59

Brilliantly played, sir! =D> :lol:


P.S. I do find it funny to see people using decimal inches.
Happens all the time. All the Hondas I work on have their valve clearance set in decimal inches. .08 is the low side of the specs on f2xc series.
Not really, the engineering to determine the valve clearance was done in mm, its just that the US service manual has the clearance converted for you because it is nearly impossible to get metric measuring tools in the US. Years ago on a trip to Germany I picked up a set of metric feeler gauges and metric tape measure, makes some jobs much easier not having to fool with inches.
All the fasteners on aircraft are imperial. It's really frustrating because a 5/8 bolt is different than a 16mm, so you need a 5/8th tool not a 16mm one.
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MHR650 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 18:30
it is nearly impossible to get metric measuring tools in the US. Years ago on a trip to Germany I picked up a set of metric feeler gauges and metric tape measure, makes some jobs much easier not having to fool with inches.
Metric stuff is pretty easy to get from the major mail order/online supply houses, but yea if you need it right now you are out of luck.

just the other day i needed an accurate 0.2 mm feeler gauge, and I had to make it by lapping a 0.008" one down to size.
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dans79 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 19:27
MHR650 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 18:30
it is nearly impossible to get metric measuring tools in the US. Years ago on a trip to Germany I picked up a set of metric feeler gauges and metric tape measure, makes some jobs much easier not having to fool with inches.
Metric stuff is pretty easy to get from the major mail order/online supply houses, but yea if you need it right now you are out of luck.

just the other day i needed an accurate 0.2 mm feeler gauge, and I had to make it by lapping a 0.008" one down to size.
I usually keep a selection of old shim and slips cut from beer tins etc. (Tape the ends though or it cuts your fingers when you forget whats in the tin :mrgreen: )
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 15:10
Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:59
NathanOlder wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:32


about 2mm, so not much at all.
Brilliantly played, sir! =D> :lol:


P.S. I do find it funny to see people using decimal inches.
Happens all the time. All the Hondas I work on have their valve clearance set in decimal inches. .08 is the low side of the specs on f2xc series.
There are only three countries that haven't adopted the metric system - Myanmar, Liberia and the USA. The Japanese will have been trying to be nice to you USians by giving you a decimal inch dimension. They'll have designed it metrically.
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dans79 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 17:45
Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 23:59
P.S. I do find it funny to see people using decimal inches.
Never look at a set of non metric mechanical blueprints then.


This is goes into the info block of every set of prints I make. The tolerances are the defaults if one isn't specificy given for a feature.
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
DIMENSIONS ARE IN INCHES

TOLERANCES:
  ANGULAR ± 0.5°
  FRACTIONAL ± 1/32
  X.X ± 0.015
  X.XX ± 0.010
  X.XXX ± 0.005
  X.XXXX ± 0.0005
Non metric is the non-usual. Almost all of the world is metric.
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 19:09
MHR650 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 18:30
godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 15:10


Happens all the time. All the Hondas I work on have their valve clearance set in decimal inches. .08 is the low side of the specs on f2xc series.
Not really, the engineering to determine the valve clearance was done in mm, its just that the US service manual has the clearance converted for you because it is nearly impossible to get metric measuring tools in the US. Years ago on a trip to Germany I picked up a set of metric feeler gauges and metric tape measure, makes some jobs much easier not having to fool with inches.
All the fasteners on aircraft are imperial. It's really frustrating because a 5/8 bolt is different than a 16mm, so you need a 5/8th tool not a 16mm one.
What, even Airbus?
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Will this require a new CE?
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Just_a_fan wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 22:22
godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 19:09
MHR650 wrote:
21 Oct 2020, 18:30


Not really, the engineering to determine the valve clearance was done in mm, its just that the US service manual has the clearance converted for you because it is nearly impossible to get metric measuring tools in the US. Years ago on a trip to Germany I picked up a set of metric feeler gauges and metric tape measure, makes some jobs much easier not having to fool with inches.
All the fasteners on aircraft are imperial. It's really frustrating because a 5/8 bolt is different than a 16mm, so you need a 5/8th tool not a 16mm one.
What, even Airbus?
I think so, just the fasteners as far as I'm aware. Everything else may be done in metric, but the fasteners are all imperial. When you buy aerospace bolts they're all in imperial, they don't even give you the option.
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