2021 Pecking order prediction

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Phil
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zeph wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:17 pm
After digesting the race for a few days, my key takeaway is that Hamilton showed Verstappen he's still the boss; the way he defended was a statement, and I think Max got the message.

If it stays this close we're gonna be in for some fun.
I agree. This was also the first time when they duelled without something grander at stake, i.e. end of season when Hamilton was trying to seal a championship against Vettel or Bottas and had real points to lose.

Now, they are level and it will likely be either one of them for this years championship. Making statements now is crucial.
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Alpine totally focused on 2022 more than any team it seems.

Aston Martin could be set for tough year, don’t think they are slow as they looked in Bahrain though

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Phil wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:49 pm
zeph wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:17 pm
After digesting the race for a few days, my key takeaway is that Hamilton showed Verstappen he's still the boss; the way he defended was a statement, and I think Max got the message.

If it stays this close we're gonna be in for some fun.
I agree. This was also the first time when they duelled without something grander at stake, i.e. end of season when Hamilton was trying to seal a championship against Vettel or Bottas and had real points to lose.

Now, they are level and it will likely be either one of them for this years championship. Making statements now is crucial.
There's also the key difference that Max knows he's got a chance this year. Previously, he had nothing to lose by hardballing an opponent. This year, try to attack or defend too aggressively and he could lose the title. That's a big change and it's the first time in his car racing career. A big season for him.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:00 am
There's also the key difference that Max knows he's got a chance this year. Previously, he had nothing to lose by hardballing an opponent. This year, try to attack or defend too aggressively and he could lose the title. That's a big change and it's the first time in his car racing career. A big season for him.
Good point! He has matured a lot, I’m sure he understands he needs to take the long view now and not be too hotheaded.

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zeph wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:24 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:00 am
There's also the key difference that Max knows he's got a chance this year. Previously, he had nothing to lose by hardballing an opponent. This year, try to attack or defend too aggressively and he could lose the title. That's a big change and it's the first time in his car racing career. A big season for him.
Good point! He has matured a lot, I’m sure he understands he needs to take the long view now and not be too hotheaded.
It's almost scary to say, but it's like Max just hit his prime...😏

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:00 am
Phil wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:49 pm
zeph wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:17 pm
After digesting the race for a few days, my key takeaway is that Hamilton showed Verstappen he's still the boss; the way he defended was a statement, and I think Max got the message.

If it stays this close we're gonna be in for some fun.
I agree. This was also the first time when they duelled without something grander at stake, i.e. end of season when Hamilton was trying to seal a championship against Vettel or Bottas and had real points to lose.

Now, they are level and it will likely be either one of them for this years championship. Making statements now is crucial.
There's also the key difference that Max knows he's got a chance this year. Previously, he had nothing to lose by hardballing an opponent. This year, try to attack or defend too aggressively and he could lose the title. That's a big change and it's the first time in his car racing career. A big season for him.
one problem for max is, he can't be a raging bull anymore by being in a championship contention. he would like to avoid any kind of aggressive moves and will be more careful. on the other hand, a 7 time world champion has nothing to lose while in this fight and would be more lethal in battles. lewis has the knack of putting his car in a difficult position for the other car and if the other car tries harder, it would result in a damage and blame actually goes to the other car. so in that sense, he is a potent even in offense. it is fascinating to see if max throws caution to the wind and goes for the battle or plays a safe long game. i hope he doesn't become a pu*** for the fear of losing title fight and goes hard.
it would be fascinating to see who wants to throw the towel on in-season development or would both teams slug it out without caring for 2022.

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Schuttelberg wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Mercedes
Red Bul
Ferrari
McLaren
Alpine
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Williams
Haas
How good is this?
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Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Mercedes
Red Bul
Ferrari
McLaren
Alpine
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Williams
Haas
How good is this?
Ferrari aren't quicker than McLaren based on what we've seen so far. I also don't think Alpine are ahead of Alpha Tauri. Then of course, the big debate is whether Merc are ahead of Red Bull. Most people seem to think not.
Overall though, going by Bahrain, you're definitely in the right ballpark.

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Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Mercedes
Red Bul
Ferrari
McLaren
Alpine
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Williams
Haas
How good is this?
terrrrrible.. mine is better ;P

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Herr_Koos wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:51 pm
Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Mercedes
Red Bul
Ferrari
McLaren
Alpine
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Williams
Haas
How good is this?
Ferrari aren't quicker than McLaren based on what we've seen so far. I also don't think Alpine are ahead of Alpha Tauri. Then of course, the big debate is whether Merc are ahead of Red Bull. Most people seem to think not.
Overall though, going by Bahrain, you're definitely in the right ballpark.
I think we need a few more tracks to see where the real pecking order is. Bahrain has been a good track for the Honda PU for whatever reason. There is not much between Ferrari and Mclaren from what I've seen. It will be interesting to see who develops more throughout the year between those two. I favor the one with the deeper pockets. Alfa Tauri was fast relative to the midfield in Bahrain. I'm not sure they will be as fast at Imola, and we may see Redbull not be as good there too. We shall see. Alpine and Aston Martin have been the big disappointments so far.

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Herr_Koos wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:51 pm
Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Mercedes
Red Bul
Ferrari
McLaren
Alpine
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Williams
Haas
How good is this?
Ferrari aren't quicker than McLaren based on what we've seen so far. I also don't think Alpine are ahead of Alpha Tauri. Then of course, the big debate is whether Merc are ahead of Red Bull. Most people seem to think not.
Overall though, going by Bahrain, you're definitely in the right ballpark.
I get what you're saying. I think AT are right in the fight with McLaren & Ferrari. I also feel Mercedes were a match for the Red Bull on pace in the race. I also know for a fact that Lewis tends to start off slow in the season with the Quali's and he generally hits his peak after 3-4 races. Still feel Mercedes will dominate on neutral tracks and specially the high speed stuff. If you remove 2020, they've always been amongst it at slower tracks.
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Hammerfist wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:52 am
Herr_Koos wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:51 pm
Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 am


How good is this?
Ferrari aren't quicker than McLaren based on what we've seen so far. I also don't think Alpine are ahead of Alpha Tauri. Then of course, the big debate is whether Merc are ahead of Red Bull. Most people seem to think not.
Overall though, going by Bahrain, you're definitely in the right ballpark.
I think we need a few more tracks to see where the real pecking order is. Bahrain has been a good track for the Honda PU for whatever reason. There is not much between Ferrari and Mclaren from what I've seen. It will be interesting to see who develops more throughout the year between those two. I favor the one with the deeper pockets. Alfa Tauri was fast relative to the midfield in Bahrain. I'm not sure they will be as fast at Imola, and we may see Redbull not be as good there too. We shall see. Alpine and Aston Martin have been the big disappointments so far.
Deeper pockets are less of a factor with the budget cap. There's also the question of development potential. Ferrari have made an impressive step, but how much more can they wring out of this car?

Agree completely though that we need a few more races to get a proper picture. McLaren had some pretty significant performance swings last year, so that may happen again.

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dfegan358 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:33 pm
Alpine totally focused on 2022 more than any team it seems.

Aston Martin could be set for tough year, don’t think they are slow as they looked in Bahrain though
Yes. It seems Alpine CEO confirmed that. They are doing the 2022 test in 2021 car. So we cannot expect any performance improvement from them. If they do, then it is fantastic.
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... _2022_car/
They also have huge update for Imola. Let see....

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zeph wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:17 pm
After digesting the race for a few days, my key takeaway is that Hamilton showed Verstappen he's still the boss; the way he defended was a statement, and I think Max got the message.

If it stays this close we're gonna be in for some fun.
The scene when they bumped fists after the race reminds me of the podium bahrain 2014 Lewis vs Nico. They were both amicable to each other, they had joy just from the thrill of battle, respect was mutually given, but soon, the full realization of what was at stake showed itself. A few races from now, Max won't be so friendly to congratulate Lewis anymore.

Lewis is playing like Alonso there too; making nice with his rival to soften him up psycologically. It might not work the same. Though Max is young, he learns fast. The cars will be equal at some stretch of races, It will be fun, but it wont be pretty.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:46 pm
A few races from now, Max won't be so friendly to congratulate Lewis anymore.
He'll certainly be friendly because he'll be congratulating Lewis on his 2nd and 3rd place finishes.
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