2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, Apr 16 - 18

[Wouter]

BTW, the track's map is upside down.

That's a common error, google maps got it wrong as well

Is it? These two are upside down.

[Partymood]

BTW, the track's map is upside down.

That's a common error, google maps got it wrong as well

lol, google display the orientation according to cardinal points North, South...etc. Nothing to do with the historic diagram also present on the circuit logo.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/?lang=en
http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

[Wouter]

BTW, the track's map is upside down.

That's a common error, google maps got it wrong as well

lol, google display the orientation according to cardinal points North, South...etc. Nothing to do with the historic diagram also present on the circuit logo.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/?lang=en
http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

Is it? These two are upside down.

There is a clear arrow on the above two maps, which indicates where North is.
So those two cards are upside down. Would Google Maps really turn the maps upside down? I don't think so.

[Partymood]

That's a common error, google maps got it wrong as well

lol, google display the orientation according to cardinal points North, South...etc. Nothing to do with the historic diagram also present on the circuit logo.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/?lang=en
http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

Is it? These two are upside down.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 09.svg.png https://thumbnail.imgbin.com/18/18/22/i ... 71fy_t.jpg

There is a clear arrow on the above two maps, which indicates where North is.
So those two cards are upside down. Would Google Maps really turn the maps upside down? I don't think so.

I never said the google would turn them upside down, in fact i said the opposite. i thought that was clear.
Please, check the links i posted, they are from the circuit's own website, they clearly think that the layout should be displayed with Rivazza on the left of the page and Tosa on the right.
I refer to the historic representation of the circuit's map which is this:

http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

[Wouter]

lol, google display the orientation according to cardinal points North, South...etc. Nothing to do with the historic diagram also present on the circuit logo.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/?lang=en
http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

Is it? These two are upside down.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 09.svg.png https://thumbnail.imgbin.com/18/18/22/i ... 71fy_t.jpg

There is a clear arrow on the above two maps, which indicates where North is.
So those two cards are upside down. Would Google Maps really turn the maps upside down? I don't think so.

I never said the google would turn them upside down, in fact i said the opposite. i thought that was clear.

No, you didn't, it was @TimW who said it.

The circuit is on the South side of Imola. Here you can see that the image of the opening post
from @MtthsMlw is correct and not upside down.

You posted this link, but you can see the N signe that points in the direction of North.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

[Partymood]

You posted this link, but you can see the N signe that points in the direction of North.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

https://i.imgur.com/nZjECV8.gif
[/quote]

It is upside down according to all the representations of the circuit i've ever seen (btw i lived in Imola between 1986 and 1990), not according to cardinal points. Everyone who went to see a San Marino GP prior to it leaving the F1 calendar will be able to tell you that. Also, i showed you that on the circuit's own web page it is represented as i said. unfortunately i didn't keep any of the tickets for the GP that i've bought in the past, but on them it is as i said too.
Hence, the circuit is upside down.

[Juzh]

It's about time the FIA finally fix these top speed detection points. This is now so retarded and bugs me to sh88!

Amen... Shows you how "stupid" some "intelligent" people still are...

The obvious place is at the end of the longest straight, yes? But that's also where the DRS is. A car getting a DRS tow will be significantly faster than one that's driving on its own with the wing closed.

Putting the speed trap where it is means that the cars are all driving with the wing closed at that point.

Anyone who looks at top speed as being a useful metric is deluded anyway. A car with a high top speed is often also one that lacks downforce and thus drag. Many examples over the years of car which top the speed chart but languish down the table in lap times.

That's what sector traps should be for. Top speed trap should be placed on what is predicted to generally be the fastest point on the track. All new tracks decide for this approach. Notable exceptions are Imola and suzuka' speed traps that are still positioned on their legacy places for some reason. That makes them near useless in this day and age. Sometimes I just want to know what top speeds cars are achieving. Not to draw any conclusions, but just as a curiosity and to perhaps spot some trends. For example last year sainz topped at 353-354 kmh on this track, which is pretty insane, but unless you go trough every single driver's telemetry you'd never know about it.

Vettel also set I think 352 kmh in suzuka in 2018, which was another track speed record (that I know of, obviously not official or anything), but none ever heard about it because speed trap is positioned just before 130r of all idiotic places. Suzuka's speed trap is especially useless because it's preceded by a sector 2 trap just 100m or so meters before it, rendering it completely dumb and pointless.

[Sieper]

I don’t think Hamilton will let himself be outqualified by Bottas now that Verstappen might be / is in contention.

More like the team won't try to set-up the car to please both drivers equally. Instead they will set it up for maximum performance and that will most likely favor Hamilton more as he can handle a twitchy car better.

In recent history Hamilton has started the season shall we say a bit on the backfoot compared to Bottas. This year from race one he is there. Now it is needed.

[PlatinumZealot]

BTW, the track's map is upside down.

That's a common error, google maps got it wrong as well

lol, google display the orientation according to cardinal points North, South...etc. Nothing to do with the historic diagram also present on the circuit logo.

http://www.autodromoimola.it/?lang=en
http://www.autodromoimola.it/wp-content ... o_Auto.png

Are you from New Zealand or something where North is South and the rain falls towards the sky?

[Partymood]

Wow... Just wow!

Just tell me, what about the direction in which Bahrain is represented? Or Monza? Or Spa? Just to mention a few. They are off by 90 degrees.
It is customary to put the start/finish line at the bottom. Go have a look and then come up with something funnier, please.

[NathanOlder]

Tosa looks better on the right in my opinion. Thats how I have always seen it. Certain circuits have to be displayed a certain way round

Take Spa for example, La Source is actually the furthest north of all the circuit, but when you see the track map, you always see La Source as furthest west.

[Just_a_fan]

That's what sector traps should be for. Top speed trap should be placed on what is predicted to generally be the fastest point on the track.

With DRS, I think the top speed thing is these days just an interesting side note for anoraks like us. It's interesting to see them doing 350km/h now and then, but with DRS it's not quite so meaningful as it was "back in the day".

It would be interesting to know the top speeds with and without DRS - that would enable some comparisons of the cars' drag, for a start.

Actually, it would be interesting to put a speed gun in two places, one where DRS is active and one where it isn't. At Imola, for example, the current one could remain and another placed before the Variante Tamburello. Then a comparison could be made with three data points per car - one location without DRS and one location both with and without DRS.

Actually, the anorak in me would love them to publish the speeds for all of the cars in their Q3 laps. The entire lap as a speed trace. They know what it is because they are GPS tracked etc. Now that would be fun to see.

[Just_a_fan]

Wow... Just wow!

Just tell me, what about the direction in which Bahrain is represented? Or Monza? Or Spa? Just to mention a few. They are off by 90 degrees.
It is customary to put the start/finish line at the bottom. Go have a look and then come up with something funnier, please.

I think it's the graphic designers at Formula 1's website that are the problem. Look at Silverstone, it doesn't put the start/finish line at the bottom, nor is it correctly oriented north/south. I think they just rotate it until it fits in with what info they want to write around the circuit map.

[Wouter]

Wow... Just wow!

Just tell me, what about the direction in which Bahrain is represented? Or Monza? Or Spa? Just to mention a few. They are off by 90 degrees.
It is customary to put the start/finish line at the bottom. Go have a look and then come up with something funnier, please.

I think it's the graphic designers at Formula 1's website that are the problem. Look at Silverstone, it doesn't put the start/finish line at the bottom, nor is it correctly oriented north/south.
I think they just rotate it until it fits in with what info they want to write around the circuit map.

Exactly what you say @ Just-a-fan! The discussion was about the fact that @MtthsMlw had put the card upside down and he doesn't have that at all!
No idea why @Partymood brought that up. "BTW, the track's map is upside down."

[factory_p]

So, all sessions should see around 10-14°C air temperature, slightly cloudy weather so low track temperature as well, and there might even be some rain on Sunday. That will be quite a drastic shift of setup compared to Bahrain. That plus the expected wave of upgrades could change a few things in the pecking order this weekend. Exciting once again !