wrong thread_cerber1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:45 amhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4KKj80XMAA ... =4096x4096
Thanks, yeah I think that's plausible too.TimW wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:21 amNobody is lying.nzjrs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:50 amExactly yeah, using the RB provided pressure data (which Pirelli says they can't trust), Pirelli has determined that the pressures were too low.
But Max says they never went below the minimum using this same data.
So we have two parties saying opposite things from the same data. Who is lying?
Pirelli only specifies initial pressures, in the heat blanket. Based on that they will expect a certain range of pressures during the race. Apparently the in race pressures were lower than they expected. It could simply be that the tires ran colder core temperatures than expected, or Pirelli calculated with different expansion coefficients than the actual one, etc.
I've seen this clip earlier. I just love how Max holds nothing back here, just says it how it is. Compared to Pirelli's public statement a day or two ago this puts some more light on the whole thing. As I said immediately after they released it, pirellis are just garbage tyres, unable to cope not just with modern f1 cars, but f1 cars as a whole. There have been so many tyre failures by now it's getting comical (remember silverstone last year and a million other occasions). Based on how confident Max seems in this clip I don't really expect them to hurt at all from this outcome, apart from another 2psi increase which will hit everyone obviously. It's just that some will be hit more than others.
I've asked this before - do you think they have the data from all teams? I've not heard that stated by Pirelli.
I think the explanation for the verbosity is quite simple; 1) No standardised tire pressure measurement system 2) CYA / 'we have to do something' rule-making.
I'd be shocked if they didn't get data from every team.nzjrs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:23 pmI've asked this before - do you think they have the data from all teams? I've not heard that stated by Pirelli.
Because another parsimonious explanation for the particular structure of Pirellis statements and the disagreement with what Max says is that Pirelli does not in fact have pressure data from all teams.
This is kind of what I'm saying.
It's more intriguing if they didn't call out the teams based on the data! Especially if they were given it! And if they always get it, then they never noticed before!RZS10 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:54 pmHave they actually called out both teams based on that data though?
There's surely other ways to come to their conclusion other than just looking at data which (according to Max) shows that RBR never dropped below the minimum starting pressures anyways - they must have done an extensive analysis of tyres from different teams ...