2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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El Scorchio
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SmallSoldier wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:50 pm
hollus wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:46 pm
214270 wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm
The FIA should have a stipulation that requires a mill deposited in the FIAs bank if you choose this process. You lose it if you fail in your bid…and it comes out of the cap.
I believe that is indeed the case! There is a non-refundable cost to appeal IIRC. Of course this might not be considered an appeal.
If I’m not wrong, the request for appeal has a non-refundable cost of 6k… Not “a lot” in the big scheme of things for the teams.
So now they can say it's cost them $1,806,000 instead of just $1,806,000, I suppose.
Or alternatively, 186 Gs...

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El Scorchio wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:55 pm
SmallSoldier wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:50 pm
hollus wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:46 pm

I believe that is indeed the case! There is a non-refundable cost to appeal IIRC. Of course this might not be considered an appeal.
If I’m not wrong, the request for appeal has a non-refundable cost of 6k… Not “a lot” in the big scheme of things for the teams.
So now they can say it's cost them $1,806,000 instead of just $1,806,000, I suppose.
Or alternatively, 186 Gs...
🤣

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zibby43 wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm
Lewis has won the British GP - again.

Matter will stay closed. Source:

https://twitter.com/erikvharen/status/1 ... 28230?s=21

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And another official source:

https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/29/red ... collision/
I see Kingshark is active on that site too. :lol:
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:57 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm
Lewis has won the British GP - again.

Matter will stay closed. Source:

https://twitter.com/erikvharen/status/1 ... 28230?s=21

Edit:

And another official source:

https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/29/red ... collision/
I see Kingshark is active on that site too. :lol:
I have noticed that lol.

Apologies for the cross-post, but I think this is a direct reference to that last line in the stewards’ document:



The RB/Merc rivalry just went to “surface of the sun” levels of intensity,
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If I read the verdict it sounds very amateurish from RedBull. No new evidence, only a visualisation of already available data and fabricated data which the appeal rules state is dismissible. Next to that I read that nobody within RedBull told Verstappen the actual verdict of the stewards (or even bothered to read it himself), so he was unaware that there was, in the verdict a count of shared blame (in the wording). On top of that the verdict seems to hint to a rant in the petition.

Redbull should reconsider their legal counsel…

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So Horner and Marko have been making personal accusations against Hamilton? And in writing. That's a possible case of libel then. Now that would be fun... :lol:
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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SmallSoldier wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:56 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:55 pm
SmallSoldier wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:50 pm


If I’m not wrong, the request for appeal has a non-refundable cost of 6k… Not “a lot” in the big scheme of things for the teams.
So now they can say it's cost them $1,806,000 instead of just $1,806,000, I suppose.
Or alternatively, 186 Gs...
🤣
Well, they might add in the costs of Perez' simulator runs of those different lines, and even more, the Albon 22 july Silverstone runs to apparently do the same (and if I read correctly, test sessions mind you, how many do they have of those? But it really should be listed as PR - which helps their cost cap - except then they would admit to this being a PR-show that they forced the stewards to take part in, which isn't something the FIA would take kindly).

The Mercedes just posted tweet (see their team's thread), certainly reads like 'you are lucky you are not yet hauled over the coals publicly by the FIA for bringing the sport into disrepute', if one combines it with the bit of the stewards report about their 'concern' at what Red Bull's letter was alleging, which is hard to read differently as them implying (premeditated?) intent to crash, and only there being no factually new evidence according to the appeal rules from potentially saving them from censure for that.

But I might be biased, probably am.

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Jolle wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:02 pm
Redbull should reconsider their legal counsel…
Marko has a doctorate in law if memory serves, so he was probably talking about himself in the 3rd person!
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bosyber wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:07 pm
[...] the Albon 22 july Silverstone runs to apparently do the same (and if I read correctly, test sessions mind you, how many do they have of those? [...]
It was apparently just Albon running an old car at Silverstone on an official filming day - so no limitations on that, but they did rent the track for a day.
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Yeah maybe though as long as they follow the pace and settings Pirelli set, maybe the exact line might not be an issue (though it would arguably further invalidate the comparison than not running it with a Merc or Ferrari for the HAM,LEC lines already does?), or it means that the story is a bit overcooked and they didn't actually go to that level, but left it at Perez' simulation? I hope the latter, but not sure I can count on that amount of level-headedness from Red Bull at this point.

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zibby43 wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:00 pm
The RB/Merc rivalry just went to “surface of the sun” levels of intensity,
This has got to be taking its toll on the Redbull, they are clearly so angry, and that’s the last place you need to be when fighting for a championship

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the EDGE wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:00 pm
The RB/Merc rivalry just went to “surface of the sun” levels of intensity,
This has got to be taking its toll on the Redbull, they are clearly so angry, and that’s the last place you need to be when fighting for a championship
I agree.

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It will certainly take its toll if they lose the championship lead going into the summer break.

Which after these unprofessional accusations and statements I really hope they do now.

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El Scorchio wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:55 pm
SmallSoldier wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:50 pm
hollus wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:46 pm

I believe that is indeed the case! There is a non-refundable cost to appeal IIRC. Of course this might not be considered an appeal.
If I’m not wrong, the request for appeal has a non-refundable cost of 6k… Not “a lot” in the big scheme of things for the teams.


So now they can say it's cost them $1,806,000 instead of just $1,806,000, I suppose.
Or alternatively, 186 Gs...
:lol: classic!

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They just spent 6 grand for a big fat pie in the face.
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