2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:50 pm
dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:43 pm
Sieper wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:38 pm
It will make the races more unpredictable as for sure some people will start “out of position”. Especially with a few crashes. This is exactly how America runs indycar racing as well, it is so unpredictable that (SC) luck plays a large role. I think it will be here to stay.

And as far as I'm concerned it's stupid and one of the things thats will make me stop watching F1.
Agreed. It feels like an attempt to "just do something!" to invent excitement.
Agreed. What’s needed is closer racing between the best teams and drivers, not random events.

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Mogster wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:40 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:50 pm
dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:43 pm



And as far as I'm concerned it's stupid and one of the things thats will make me stop watching F1.
Agreed. It feels like an attempt to "just do something!" to invent excitement.
Agreed. What’s needed is closer racing between the best teams and drivers, not random events.
I think the idea was brought in to stir up the pot a bit this year because the FIA/Liberty was scared that Mercedes would be dominant again. Bringing in these sprint race events potentially gives a chance for the front end of the grid to drop the ball / be involved in an incident and thus open up the chance of the dominant team being caught. That the aero changes brought in to help Pirelli have unseated Mercedes anyway has done that for them. It would be ironic if the sprint races helped Mercedes (I don't think it will, however).

I would not be surprised to see these sprint races quietly dropped next year if the new cars are able to race more closely and the season is more open.
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https://fr.motorsport.com/f1/news/esteb ... e/6629749/

Alpine will supply Esteban Ocon with a new chassis at Silverstone, following its recent difficulties.

"Esteban had two difficult races in Austria and we are still investigating whether there are technical reasons for this," commented Marcin Budkowski, executive director of the team. "To eliminate any doubt, we have decided to make major changes to his car for Silverstone, including a new chassis. Esteban has performed very well at the start of the season and climbed to the third row on merit in two races. in a row a few weeks ago, so we're all working together to make it bounce back. This weekend is the perfect opportunity to do so. "


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Min pres: Front 25(=) Rear 23(+2)
+2 compared to what? Last year :?:

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Juzh wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:52 pm
Min pres: Front 25(=) Rear 23(+2)
+2 compared to what? Last year :?:
What was the point of the new tires if the pressures are going to stay sky high.
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The new tires only have a slightly reinforced shoulder. Rear tire only. Last year the front tires let go on several cars here. I think that is why the pressures are up.

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They ran 25psi front and 21psi rear in the 2020 British GP and upped that to 27psi front and 22psi rear for the 70th Anniversary race ... so it's compared to the first race last year.

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Be very interesting to see how the new tyres affect the teams. A harder shoulder should in theory give a more stable aero platform as it deforms less.
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RZS10 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:04 am
They ran 25psi front and 21psi rear in the 2020 British GP and upped that to 27psi front and 22psi rear for the 70th Anniversary race ... so it's compared to the first race last year.
So the rears are still 1 psi higher than at either race last year....

That seems utterly ridiculous, since they cut downforce over the winter, and beefed up the rears part way through this season. At the rate they keep upping pressures they will be at roadcar levels before long.

I wish F1 would kick Pirelli to the curb......
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dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:59 am
RZS10 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:04 am
They ran 25psi front and 21psi rear in the 2020 British GP and upped that to 27psi front and 22psi rear for the 70th Anniversary race ... so it's compared to the first race last year.
So the rears are still 1 psi higher than at either race last year....

That seems utterly ridiculous, since they cut downforce over the winter, and beefed up the rears part way through this season. At the rate they keep upping pressures they will be at roadcar levels before long.

I wish F1 would kick Pirelli to the curb......
The downforce was cut but it's not they went from 2020 levels of downforce to IndyCar levels. The cornering speeds are still high, and thus lateral acceleration is still high. We saw some of the highest corner speeds in the Austrian GP at turn 9.

Higher starting pressure means higher operating pressures as well. Higher operating pressure reduces the degree to which the tire edges may strain laterally when cornering, the lower the pressure the more flexible the tire edges are. Silverstone has 4 or 5 high downforce corners, and these teams are greedy, though they will never admit pressure gouging their tires, they didn't even admit any potential rule-bending with whole flexible rear wing nonsense when it was obvious.

Pirelli has dug themselves a hole where the tires literally last 70% of the percent of the race. The pace drop-off in the 2nd stint is almost negligible. At some point they must pull that back.
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For a comparison of how much tyre loads have changed in the high speed corners, last year Hamilton in Q3 entered Copse at 313kph. And exited at 295.
Roughly speaking the loads vary with the square of the speed.
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:D


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Wouter wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:20 pm
:D

:lol: =D>

Do you think he did his own photoshopping? Probably got a minion to do it for him.
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I actually would concider Gunther did this himself yes , which would be even more awesome
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.