2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

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zibby43 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 08:45
Zynerji wrote:
08 Nov 2021, 22:10
Love this track!

I expect anyone that crashes in the Sprint to take all-new PU components. Vettel proved in 2012 that you can come through from the back here deep into the points.
Hamilton went from a pit lane start to P4 back in 2017, I believe.
Having witnessed how Monza went this year and also Mexico this past weekend, it's probably a distant dream for anyone to do that again. Mid field cars are very slippery on a straight line and it's a nightmare to do something like that, unless the tyre delta is over 2 seconds. Heck, even Latifi's Williams would be difficult to pass when he is ahead.
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Yes, it will be key to survive the sprint. No way to slice through the field in any of the current top cars as you will have a McL or Ferrari somewhere down the field that holds you up.

The tires will be interesting. The hards that were mighty for Merc at COTA did not play any role at Brazil 2019, in fact everyone using them had strong grip issues. So rather two stop with Soft-Medium-Medium. On the Mediums RedBull was mighty at COTA.
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Chances of rain expected during the Sprint Qualifying race.

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WaikeCU wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 14:33
Chances of rain expected during the Sprint Qualifying race.
More chances during qualifying on Friday. 50%. Weather.com.
Fri 12 | Day
Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. High 62F. Winds SE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
Sat 13 | Day
Showers in the morning, then cloudy in the afternoon. High 66F. Winds SE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

Sun 14 | Day
Partly cloudy. High 76F. Winds SE at 10 to 15 mph.
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zibby43 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 08:45
Zynerji wrote:
08 Nov 2021, 22:10
Love this track!

I expect anyone that crashes in the Sprint to take all-new PU components. Vettel proved in 2012 that you can come through from the back here deep into the points.
Hamilton went from a pit lane start to P4 back in 2017, I believe.
In 2017 all the Renault powered teams had their engines turned down massively because of the catastrophic weekend that they had the race before in Mexico.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 22:42
zibby43 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 08:45
Zynerji wrote:
08 Nov 2021, 22:10
Love this track!

I expect anyone that crashes in the Sprint to take all-new PU components. Vettel proved in 2012 that you can come through from the back here deep into the points.
Hamilton went from a pit lane start to P4 back in 2017, I believe.
In 2017 all the Renault powered teams had their engines turned down massively because of the catastrophic weekend that they had the race before in Mexico.
I was wondering what happend to RB's pace in 2017 when I was reviewing the last few seasons

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Anyone think Ferrari could have a good race here? I expected Mexico to suit but I really misread that one - perhaps the more flowing nature of Brazil could suit a bit better this weekend?

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More flowing nature should suit McLaren IMHO...if you are thinking about their fight for 3rd in constructors championship.

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kalinka wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 09:22
More flowing nature should suit McLaren IMHO...if you are thinking about their fight for 3rd in constructors championship.
Hard to say, the Ferrari is better in low and medium speed corners than the McLaren. Interlagos is full of them. But, I don't think there's a big enough difference over a lap to make a big difference.

It'll be a driver's race like COTA was IMO, at least during qualifying.

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Mansell89 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 23:59
Anyone think Ferrari could have a good race here? I expected Mexico to suit but I really misread that one - perhaps the more flowing nature of Brazil could suit a bit better this weekend?
Ferrari were clear number 3 in Mexico. Did you expect them to challenge Mercedes or RedBull?

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LM10 wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 18:14
Mansell89 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 23:59
Anyone think Ferrari could have a good race here? I expected Mexico to suit but I really misread that one - perhaps the more flowing nature of Brazil could suit a bit better this weekend?
Ferrari were clear number 3 in Mexico. Did you expect them to challenge Mercedes or RedBull?
Even №4 I would say.. Gasly was faster :(

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
08 Nov 2021, 21:05
I have a feeling that Mercedes won’t really be able to use their squatting rear suspension because turn 13, 14 and 15. Since it’s not really a straight a stalling diffuser would probably be bad.
Hope so but not so sure. They are hardly curved...

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One thing that has given me hope for RB is that in 2018 they were 13kmh down on Merc on the speed trap and Max was on course to win so we shall see what happens this wkd

https://f1i.com/news/323470-interlagos- ... m-all.html

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LM10 wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 18:14
Mansell89 wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 23:59
Anyone think Ferrari could have a good race here? I expected Mexico to suit but I really misread that one - perhaps the more flowing nature of Brazil could suit a bit better this weekend?
Ferrari were clear number 3 in Mexico. Did you expect them to challenge Mercedes or RedBull?
Yes I (naively) felt the improved PU, and high downforce requirement at altitude may have replicated a Monaco-esque scenario but of course it didn’t quite play out that way.

Any thoughts on whether they would be any closer to RBR and Merc at Interlagos?

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Ryar wrote:
09 Nov 2021, 09:39
Dee wrote:
08 Nov 2021, 22:06
Speed trap data for RB vs Merc

2019

Mexico RB + 3kph
Brazil RB + 5kph

2021

Mexico Merc +8kph
Brazil Merc ?

Advantage Merc for me if RB can't get that difference decreased
Did you consider RB switching back to spoon rear wing for Interlagos? If Mercedes goes with the same rear wing that they used in Mexico, then they would stay as is while RB gains straightline speed. If Mercedes chooses a lower downforce wing, then they have a bigger downforce reduction than RB due to the relative lack of inherent downforce levels through the chassis. Downforce would still be a factor at Interlagos. Second sector is where a lot of time can gained/lost on the basis of downforce levels. A car with better downforce exits turn 12 with good traction, which is critical to get on full throttle quicker for that long straight. No point in gaining 10kph extra speed at the speed trap, if it wasn't optimum start to the straight.
From what I can see Mercedes actually holds a slight edge in traction.

Turn 11 at Bahrain, look how much more composed the Mercedes is. Interlagos has a few corners that are essentially carbon copies of turn 11. Turns 4, and 12 as you mentioned, then there's also the exit out of 10. I do see RB having the upper hand through the Senna esses, as well as turn 6 all the way through the exit of turn 9. It's likely Mercedes will make up some time on the exit of 4 10 and 12 along with the straights. It will be a lot closer, and will likely set the tone for the remaining 3 races.
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