Aston Martin Honda 2026 speculation etc

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-wkst- wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 23:47
I guess stef23 talks about the commercial brand name („Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team“), which they are using in F1 and not the official company name (AMR GP Limited). Ferrari changed their brand name midseason, when HP joined, but the official legal company namen is still Ferrari S.p.A.
I said that cause he said "since not being directly associated or owned by the Aston Martin brand." Meaning, they are entangled.

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It is quite easy. Aston Martin Lagonda (car company) pays money that AMR GP Limited (f1 Team company) drives with the Aston Martin Brand. The sponsorship was extended for 5 years in 2023 btw. They are independent from each other. Like Alfa Romeo did at Sauber.

Aramco pays money too, that they are in the team Name. Aramco furthermore secured an Option for 10% of the f1 company shares when they started the sponsorship.

Honda also has an agreement with the team from 2026 onwoards, as we all know, and will highly likely also be in the teams Name as Part of the Deal.

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Yeah, you got my point. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but i meant to know if they could change the name of the team, not including "Aston Martin" anymore

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Stef23 wrote:
27 Mar 2025, 22:11
Yeah, you got my point. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but i meant to know if they could change the name of the team, not including "Aston Martin" anymore
Right. My Answer was yes but why would they want to?

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06 Mar 2025, 20:18
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06 Mar 2025, 10:24
There are too many things to fit perfectly all at once. And it would seem as if every time they want to shortcut the time to become a big team it paradoxically drags on another year and ends up with Lawrence getting angry. :lol:

It needs more time to gel and also Lawrence to stop putting so much pressure on the team. I do think eventually there will be great success but more towards 2028 perhaps
You think Fallows should have been given more time?
He should have been at least given until the new wind tunnel was operational. They've already spoken about seeing a difference in the data between their new tunnel and the Mercedes one on the recent update parts.

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Waz wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:11
diffuser wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 20:18
KimiRai wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 10:24
There are too many things to fit perfectly all at once. And it would seem as if every time they want to shortcut the time to become a big team it paradoxically drags on another year and ends up with Lawrence getting angry. :lol:

It needs more time to gel and also Lawrence to stop putting so much pressure on the team. I do think eventually there will be great success but more towards 2028 perhaps
You think Fallows should have been given more time?
He should have been at least given until the new wind tunnel was operational. They've already spoken about seeing a difference in the data between their new tunnel and the Mercedes one on the recent update parts.
Yeah, I don't know what happened there. We had that big blow up in Imola last year by Lawrence with Fallows. That started Lawrence's shopping for Cardile and Newey. I mean Newey became available. That was just out bidding/negotiating everyone else...but he really went out and got Cardile. He wasn't looking to leave Ferrari.

Obviously, you can't afford to keep all three. Some suggested that Cardile was Newey's man. If that is true, then it all comes down to Lawrence believing in Newey/Cardile team over Fallows/(can't remember his name) team.

I kind of was surprised by the Fallows move but I can't help but think that Newey/Cardile is truely an upgrade. So Fallows was just a Newey victim? The Fallows teams became expendable after they signed Newey and Cardile.

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diffuser wrote:
20 May 2025, 15:19
Waz wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:11
diffuser wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 20:18


You think Fallows should have been given more time?
He should have been at least given until the new wind tunnel was operational. They've already spoken about seeing a difference in the data between their new tunnel and the Mercedes one on the recent update parts.
Yeah, I don't know what happened there. We had that big blow up in Imola last year by Lawrence with Fallows. That started Lawrence's shopping for Cardile and Newey. I mean Newey became available. That was just out bidding/negotiating everyone else...but he really went out and got Cardile. He wasn't looking to leave Ferrari.

Obviously, you can't afford to keep all three. Some suggested that Cardile was Newey's man. If that is true, then it all comes down to Lawrence believing in Newey/Cardile team over Fallows/(can't remember his name) team.

I kind of was surprised by the Fallows move but I can't help but think that Newey/Cardile is truely an upgrade. So Fallows was just a Newey victim? The Fallows teams became expendable after they signed Newey and Cardile.
It's a truly strange situation, because Fallows had worked with Newey for more than a decade at RBR. And even though he hasn't been as good at Aston Martin, there's also a noticeable downgrade in RBR cars since he left them.

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Fallows was NOT a technical director in the common sense, like Allison at Mercedes or Wache at RBR, overseeing all departments. Factually he was mainly head of the aero department, which his successor Eric Blandin (formerly deputy technical director - now renamed aerodynamics director) still is.

Fallows, Furbatto and McCullough all reported to CTO Andrew Green, until Green was sidelined. For a year there was no "strong man", overseeing all departments. Since 2024 these guys, or later their successors, report to Bob Bell, executive director technical. In about 3 weeks these guys report to CTO Cardile. Bob Bell is/was most likely the interim solution until their new structure is fully in place.


Fallows joins AMR after agreeing early exit from RBR (formula1.com 2022):
Fallows will form part of a triumvirate of technical leaders at billionaire Lawrence Stroll’s Aston Martin team, joining Performance Director Tom McCullough and Engineering Director Luca Furbatto – the latter having moved across from Alfa Romeo at the end of last season. The trio will report to Chief Technical Officer Andrew Green.
Bell joins AMR in 2024 (astonmartinf1.com):
He will have overall responsibility for the Technical, Engineering and Performance functions as the team continues its journey and development into true F1 contenders.

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Didn't realize Bob Bell was still so new. This team is really feeling more and more like the powerhouse that Ross Brawn assembled for 2014.

There really are some excellent people involved already and they have excellent tools at their disposal and some very deep pockets with a fire to win.