2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:30 am

Wouter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:47 am
With much more experience than Max, Ricciardo was also slower/less good than Max.
Gasly is now driving his second (!) season in F1. Should he be faster / better than Ricciardo, who is a good driver with a lot of experience? That doesn't seem entirely fair to me.
First of all, let's wait and see how things will continue in the coming races, but it is not realistic to expect him to be just as fast and good as Ricciardo and RBR knew that in advance.
Yes it is. But He could be as fast as Ricciardo from first season with Redbull like Verstappen. Then we can keep that idea that he has wdc ability.
Now, yes he can be better than this at next season but if he can up his game he is just a second driver and if he can't up his game then " formula E"

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Sieper » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:36 am

And now? :-)

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by ME4ME » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:55 am

Pretty sure FP1 was an engineered confidence boost. As always, we'll see more of the truth in qualifying.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Jaisonas » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Engineered or not, the fact is that Gasly runs the new aero package which mostly eliminates the unstable rear end which was Gasly biggest problem and fear.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by McMika98 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:10 pm

Definitely Quali mode. He went for it on the last lap, gained at least 3 tenths on all sectors compared to his previous run. The track was getting better but his tyres were also getting old. Still at least 3 seconds away from projected quali pole lap.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Wouter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:12 pm

etusch wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:30 am
Wouter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:47 am
With much more experience than Max, Ricciardo was also slower/less good than Max.
Gasly is now driving his second (!) season in F1. Should he be faster / better than Ricciardo, who is a good driver with a lot of experience? That doesn't seem entirely fair to me.
First of all, let's wait and see how things will continue in the coming races, but it is not realistic to expect him to be just as fast and good as Ricciardo and RBR knew that in advance.
Yes it is. But He could be as fast as Ricciardo from first season with Redbull like Verstappen. Then we can keep that idea that he has wdc ability.
Now, yes he can be better than this at next season but if he can up his game he is just a second driver and if he can't up his game then " formula E"

Gasly to Formula E because he isn't as good as Max? #-o

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by j.yank » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:40 pm

McMika98 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:10 pm
Still at least 3 seconds away from projected quali pole lap.
Projected by Who?

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by ME4ME » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:42 pm

Wouter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:12 pm
etusch wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:30 am
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Now, yes he can be better than this at next season but if he can up his game he is just a second driver and if he can't up his game then " formula E"
Gasly to Formula E because he isn't as good as Max? #-o
Why the facepalm? Not at all a crazy suggestion from Etusch. Vandoorne being the prime example of the fate of an underdelivering driver after being destroyed by Alonso - and he had an even more impressive junior resume.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Marti_EF3 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:54 pm

Mode 11 for Gasly :lol:

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Datco » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:55 pm

Any updates to the car this weekend?

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:00 pm

Marti_EF3 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:54 pm
Mode 11 for Gasly :lol:
It must be mode 12

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Wouter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:04 pm

ME4ME wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:42 pm
Wouter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:12 pm
etusch wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:30 am
..
Now, yes he can be better than this at next season but if he can up his game he is just a second driver and if he can't up his game then " formula E"
Gasly to Formula E because he isn't as good as Max? #-o
Why the facepalm? Not at all a crazy suggestion from Etusch. Vandoorne being the prime example of the fate of an underdelivering driver after being destroyed by Alonso - and he had an even more impressive junior resume.

If Gasly is not good enough for F1 and then has to go to the FE, then at least 10 drivers can also leave for the FE.
Gasly had to drive a swabbing RB15 and he was unable to do so.
The RB15 runs very stable with the new updates.
I hope that Gasly in his 2nd year, with little experience, can show that he is quite a good driver.
Whether he is good enough for a top team remains to be seen, but otherwise he is good enough for a middle team
and he really does not need to go to the FE.

And by the way .... My opinion is that Stoffel is a very good driver and certainly belongs in F1.

The #-o was perhaps a bit exaggerated. Sorry for that @Etusch.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Edax » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:49 pm

holeindalip wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:16 am
Yup, you are correct on Who was passing whom..apologies
No problems mate. Took me a while to figure out where Ocon had came from.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by gokarter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:33 pm

just had a read, it seems the new upgrade rear wing was only present on gasly car giving him more downforce than max. no wonder max pace was slower than gaslys

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Wouter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:46 pm

gokarter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:33 pm
just had a read, it seems the new upgrade rear wing was only present on gasly car giving him more downforce than max. no wonder max pace was slower than gaslys
Who said that? Horner? Why did Max not have that rearwing? Thanks in advance.