I don’t think anyone is bashing the team or not recognizing their improvement this season... P4 in the Championship is the reward to all that hard work and a great achievement in itself.Ground Effect wrote:I think we should all remember that the name, McLaren is worth zero tenths in performance. Where they are today is down to a lot of hard work by several men and women, some of whom never experienced the success of the McLaren of old, so this is a big moment for them. We all want them to return to the glory days, competing for wins and podiums on their merit. But before they get back there, it’ll take hard work, but it’s also taken hard work to get where they are now. Carlos started 20th, behind everyone. He ended up beating both Racing Points, both Renaults, both Alfa’s, both Haas cars and one STR. If in 4 years of Alonso they didn’t get a single podium, then this ought to be celebrated. Remember Lotus, Brabham, Tyrrell....SmallSoldier wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:12 pmWhy though? He has a very valid point... It is nice for the team, nice for Sainz... But the team hasn’t joined the Top 3 in terms of performance... As a matter of fact, they haven’t clearly lead the midfield in terms of performance (they are clearly 4th best “all around” team... But they are not comfortably getting P7-P8 in Qualifying and the race).ivanlesk wrote: It means a lot for team. It's a good reword for hard work and motivation to go further. As a big fan you say you are, you should probably care a little bit more.
As a fan, I will support the team in the good times and the bad times, but that doesn’t mean that I’m happy with their performance... The challenge is to get on the podium based on pace or on it’s own merit, that would be fantastic... Getting there thanks to several external factors (and in Brazil there were a lot of them) isn’t something to be overly excited about (to put things in perspective, they were beaten by a Toro Rosso).
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The fact that they took advantage of a the retirements and that Carlos drove a great race it’s also really good in itself... But, denying that it was a result derived from a lot of luck and not based on performance isn’t the right thing either.
Just creating a bit of perspective... The team was already lapped by the front runners before the first Safety Car... Yes, they finished ahead of both Renault’s and the Alfa’s (Haas race pace isn’t stellar so not something to brag about)... The team is still lacking performance (they didn’t made it to Q3 in Qualy).
Let’s celebrate a great season, be happy that we were given a 3rd position by the actions/luck of other teams... But, let’s not be naive and say that it was “earned” or “deserved” since it wasn’t on their own merit.
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