Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2015

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Sorry if it's already been posted, but rumours Niki Lauda is going to quit the team after a fall-out with Wolff:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/for ... 602805.ece

There is no reason given but wouldn't be surprised if it's related to the driver spat on track.

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J0rd4n wrote:Sorry if it's already been posted, but rumours Niki Lauda is going to quit the team after a fall-out with Wolff:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/for ... 602805.ece

There is no reason given but wouldn't be surprised if it's related to the driver spat on track.
He didn't agree with the on track strategy call in Mexico. He was in favor for Hamilton doing a 1 stop if he wanted. Also he doens't agree with Toto's (driver)management style.

I also don't agree with this both drivers on the same strategy style of management. It's created a tunnel vision, this leads to losing race's if they are both on the wrong strategy like in Malaysia. Or not stacking in Austin. You have to look at your drivers as competitors and let them race however they want. Williams also uses this style and they always lose out during the pitstops because of it, it's to conservative.

Great loss the lose Lauda, the only guy in Mercedes management who gives his opinion without worrying about the media backlash or politics. Will make the team less likeable in my eyes.
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The definition of Hyperbole:

Lewis Hamilton’s relationship with Nico Rosberg is at rock bottom as his world championship-winning Mercedes team teeter on the brink of meltdown.
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It would be a shame to loose Lauda if that is really the case. When I started to follow f1 back in 1984 as a little lad, his story was one that defined formula one for me.

But looking at his whole history in F1, I think he never finished a job, apart from his final season for McLaren. He left Ferrari as a WC before the season ended in '77, left Brabbam before the saison ended. Been on the payroll for Ferrari as an advisor, been involved with Jaguar racing and left before he could get anything done, did he had a job at McLaren at one point as well? And now Mercedes...

It's a bit of a pattern

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Lauda doesn't really have a job to do at Merc. He oversees, he doesn't make the decisions Toto and Paddy do. Regardless though, I wouldn't say he hasn't finished the job. Back to back double champions. When does the job become finished? When they move back down the grid?

The pattern for me here is key people from Merc have left and it seems to involve power hungry Toto. Ross and now Lauda.

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astracrazy wrote:Lauda doesn't really have a job to do at Merc. He oversees, he doesn't make the decisions Toto and Paddy do. Regardless though, I wouldn't say he hasn't finished the job. Back to back double champions. When does the job become finished? When they move back down the grid?

The pattern for me here is key people from Merc have left and it seems to involve power hungry Toto. Ross and now Lauda.
Niki Lauda has a very similar function to Helmut Marko: kind of a consultant.
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Jolle wrote:It would be a shame to loose Lauda if that is really the case. When I started to follow f1 back in 1984 as a little lad, his story was one that defined formula one for me.

But looking at his whole history in F1, I think he never finished a job, apart from his final season for McLaren. He left Ferrari as a WC before the season ended in '77, left Brabbam before the saison ended. Been on the payroll for Ferrari as an advisor, been involved with Jaguar racing and left before he could get anything done, did he had a job at McLaren at one point as well? And now Mercedes...

It's a bit of a pattern
I believe we have to be careful here.
There is always the point how the job was actually defined.

At Ferrari, I believe his actual task was to get Jean Todt to the team.
For Mercedes, it was to get Mercedes on the Bernie-Ecclestone money bonus track.
Both were achieved.

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He's right on the strategy front. The drivers will will then find it easier to race each other which would be great.
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Jolle wrote:It would be a shame to loose Lauda if that is really the case. When I started to follow f1 back in 1984 as a little lad, his story was one that defined formula one for me.

But looking at his whole history in F1, I think he never finished a job, apart from his final season for McLaren. He left Ferrari as a WC before the season ended in '77, left Brabbam before the saison ended. Been on the payroll for Ferrari as an advisor, been involved with Jaguar racing and left before he could get anything done, did he had a job at McLaren at one point as well? And now Mercedes...

It's a bit of a pattern
He's more a transformational manager then.
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XRayF1 wrote:
Jolle wrote:It would be a shame to loose Lauda if that is really the case. When I started to follow f1 back in 1984 as a little lad, his story was one that defined formula one for me.

But looking at his whole history in F1, I think he never finished a job, apart from his final season for McLaren. He left Ferrari as a WC before the season ended in '77, left Brabbam before the saison ended. Been on the payroll for Ferrari as an advisor, been involved with Jaguar racing and left before he could get anything done, did he had a job at McLaren at one point as well? And now Mercedes...

It's a bit of a pattern
I believe we have to be careful here.
There is always the point how the job was actually defined.

At Ferrari, I believe his actual task was to get Jean Todt to the team.
For Mercedes, it was to get Mercedes on the Bernie-Ecclestone money bonus track.
Both were achieved.
I think perhaps Lauda's other big contribution was realising what the Merc marketing department hadn't ... that having a non-German driver winning is more marketable to Mercedes than Simply having two German drivers.

And thus pushing to get the best driver they could in Hamilton.
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It would be funny if after retiring from Williams Suzie joins the mercedes F1 team in a managerial role.
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He owns part of the team, any motion to remove Lauda will need to involve him or a massively expensive buyout.
Either way it has been denied by Lauda as media BS.
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"There is absolutely nothing to discuss," he said. "I have a contract until 2017 – which I want to fulfil. I do not know who is writing these stories, but the truth is… Toto and I are working together in harmony, everything is wonderful."
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/5458 ... Merc_rift/
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FoxHound wrote:He owns part of the team, any motion to remove Lauda will need to involve him or a massively expensive buyout.
Either way it has been denied by Lauda as media BS.
I'm pretty sure you can be removed or voted off from the board and still own shares

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Meanwhile Lauda is still claiming Mercedes don't have a power advantage and thinks there will be no dominance next year: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lauda ... ine-power/ - Hard to know when to trust him.