you seem to still miss the point about Sauber in the need to act to actually keep the team alive. I don't understand how people can completely oversee that if they had kept vdG and Sutil, the entire team had went bankrupt alas Caterham. Who would be a winner then? Only crying about sad, sad, poor vdG, poor Sutil.bdr529 wrote:Here we go again with the VdG is "shameful", and "repulsive", that's a new one, usually it's disrespectful.Manoah2u wrote:I never thought GvdG wasn't in his right do demand compensation and act, the manner in which it was handled and he chose to act though was repulsive and shameful, and quite frankly, unsportive and un-F1. I mean, it is F1 we're talking here, the pinnacle of motorsport. It doesn't get much more exclusive and 'glamourous' than F1.
Sauber had signed 4 drivers and from what I read sometime ago the had even signed Bianchi the weekend of his crash,
that's 4-5 drivers for 2 seats. and in doing so, Sauber put everyone of those drivers in the position to take legal action.
If you don't like the way VdG acted then blame Sauber they signed the contracts they started the ball rolling.
As for the disrespectful VgD here's what he had to say about that day in Australia"I walked to (team manager) Beat (Zehnder) and he shoved me a race suit and shoes and said 'here'. I dressed in the garage to have the seat fitting, but the pedals were set up for (Marcus) Ericsson. Nothing could be changed.
"They didn't adjust the foam -- nothing. Just two mechanics, as everyone else was sent away. That was very weird, because normally they would be there, working.
I don't know what the team told those guys, but if they are honest, they would acknowledge that they only received their salaries because of our early payment in 2014. And then suddenly we are the enemies, which is of course (expletive)," said van der Garde.Manoah2u wrote:Could compare it to buying a new car on monthly payment. The client can't pay for the car the price all at once, but he is able to make a big deposit and pay the rest of the car throughout a monthly payment untill the car has been paid off.
The car company will have to give the client a car, and not get paid in full immediately. In the longer haul though, they will recieve more money. It's either no sale, and no money - Or sell, and accept the client's cashflow restrictions but in the end recieve more money.
In this case, the client is Sauber and the seller/car company Sutil.
That seams like a lot of work, how about just not signing 4 drivers for 2 seats in the first place
Instead, Sauber had to make the tough decision to appoint 2 drivers with far bigger pockets to keep the team alive, thus sacrificing 2 contracted drivers. The world is hard, so be it, they get compensation.
The quote of vdG can be taken with quite a grain of salt since mr. vdG was the one starting the hostile approach towards Sauber, anybody not expecting a bit of cold response would be ignorant and completely living in another dimension. Simply walking into the paddock threatening to shut down the entire team and simply hopping in a seat and driving, you think this behaviour wouldn't get some backfire?
Really, try that when you lose your job and just march in and start working for your former company which had you dismissed with the promise of financial compensation. Yeah, good going, good luck with that.
The fact remains, we've seen thousands and thousands of complaints and media-horny stories about VanderGarde's camp, but there have been zero from Sauber's side. Quite biased just to pick vdG side without actually knowing the other side of the story and all that has been going on behind closed doors.
"There has been a verdict". Sure, does that take away everyhing else? No, but it's quite tunnel-vision to just focus on whatever you want to focus.
Mr vanderGarde comes in at the final moment expecting to get a tailored overall presented to him with a glass of champagne and a warm welcome? IF that's the expectation, then really, people are living in not just another dimension, but a dimension of 20 apart. Seriously. It surprised me Sauber security did not simply deny him entrance.
Sauber knew very well there was no way this puppetgame was going to go like vdG was trying to show, so they did not play along, boohoo mr. VdG.
the final 100-page letter that VdG wrote after the entire saga actually was fixed, done, and passed, was for everyone clear to see. Seriously mental. Like a crazy stalker writing a letter on how he/she feels the world is hurting them. It was absolutely laughable and rediculous.
The prime example of how things can be done reasonably is Sutil. He could lift along with the vdG crazyness and use it to his own benefit. Instead, he does how any self-respecting and sport-respecting non-butthurt gentleman would do; keep it behind closed doors. There is no need to stay silent on whether there has been a contractual breach or some injustice. Shouting it off the roofs and whining against the entire world how the other kids' took your ball is of a whole other level.
Anyway, vdG saga thankfully is in the past and buried. I hope Sauber likewise can put a dot behind the Sutil late payment issues aswell.
For that matter, btw, people seem to forget Sauber has a history of being late with payments. Remember Hulkenberg ? so is it really that big a deal? I don't think so, and it's F1. Really, these guys aren't gonna come short of their money.
I'm for one glad Sauber is doing good. They have a very good driverin Felipe Nasr and he brings a big amount of money to the team, and we finally have a coloured Sauber again. I could care less about Ericsson, but let's just give him a chance, he's still reasonably fresh. Sauber finally has some light on the horizon, and has wringled itself from the back of the field.
I'm curious on what updates may follow and where they'll end up at the WCC standings when this season is over.
Sauber is a historic team by now that has earned its position in F1. Yes, what happened at Sauber did not win any beauty contest, but - let's face it - really, what would WE have done if we have had the same position?
Option 1 : Keep the signed low-performing aging Dutchman that hasn't shown anything yet, paired with an aging German that has little sponsorship and little prospect for action, without enough total bank to finish the season and shut down a facility with atleast 200 men and thus go completely bankrupt and thus get branded as 'Monisha, the woman who destroyed Sauber'
Option 2 : Ditch the two low-performing signed drivers and give them financial compensation and help them to get a drive either somewhere else in F1 [Manor] or another racing class, and sign a very potent, energetic driver that can be moulded and paired with your team for atleast 3 years, bringing 10's of millions of dollars from brazil bank money, up your team image, and pair it with another driver that will bring another bag of millions, and is of the same calibre of your contracted 2 grandpa's but still young and with room to grow. And thus keep the team alive and thus tell your 200 employees that they can keep working instead of go home, and accept that you will get branded 'Monisha, the woman who had to face serious court issues to save Sauber'.
Yeah, that's an easy choice.
I don't think anybody expected GvdG to be so furious he wouldnt' take compensation but insisted stepping into a F1 car. Becuase really, that was all that this was about in the end. He admitted it himself from the beginning. 'Beast Mode'. Yeah.
It's really sad that this happened, but it's really good that Sauber has moved on and moved up the ladder quite significantly.