2016 Williams Martini Racing F1 Team - Mercedes

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According to motorsport-total.com ... Williams extends its production capacity for 2017 during winter - specifically, another production line for the front wings will by added.

original article in german:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 10110.html

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Lance Stroll's performances in F3 looks staggering this year.

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2016 Results.
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2016 Standings, compared with his team mates.
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LookBackTime wrote:According to motorsport-total.com ... Williams extends its production capacity for 2017 during winter - specifically, another production line for the front wings will by added.

original article in german:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 10110.html
Early on in the season we were arguing about how long it was taking to produce the new nose/FW for both cars (+ spares), so i think that's a good move.

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A pay driver? No, Williams' Lance Stroll is good enough for Formula 1
Despite his financial backing, Canadian should not be dismissed as as pay driver explains F3 commentator Tom Gaymor

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12476/ ... -formula-1

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Sevach wrote:
LookBackTime wrote:According to motorsport-total.com ... Williams extends its production capacity for 2017 during winter - specifically, another production line for the front wings will by added.

original article in german:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 10110.html
Early on in the season we were arguing about how long it was taking to produce the new nose/FW for both cars (+ spares), so i think that's a good move.
Given front wings are among the parts of the car with the most pieces, I believe only rivaled by the drivetrain, that's a huge expansion.
#AeroFrodo

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GPR-A wrote:Lance Stroll's performances in F3 looks staggering this year.
Not to diminish his accomplishments but his first year in Prema was much less spectacular, and he came under some criticism for being reckless (story). This year he did have an advantage over rivals due to buying track time so had additional practice. Minor points really, but this year's results are not so glaringly spectacular as they appear.

His time in the 2014 Williams gives him maybe a half-season advantage over a complete rookie (10 two-day tests) so I'm very interested to see how he does next year.

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GPR-A wrote:Lance Stroll's performances in F3 looks staggering this year.

https://s14.postimg.org/ifusve7vl/Career_Summary.jpg

2016 Results.
https://s14.postimg.org/507s5xzdt/F3_Ch ... esults.jpg

2016 Standings, compared with his team mates.
https://s14.postimg.org/gdubh59wh/F3_Ch ... ndings.png
His 2016 season is make belief and I will tell you the reason why. For me the only way a F3 driver can jump straight to F1 is he does something extraordinary in his rookie season. Like taking the most wins (Verstappen in 2014, 10 wins against opposition that was from a much higher caliber then Stroll faced in 2016 and doing it without the backing of a topteam like Prema).

1. The 2016 field wasn't as stacked as 2014 and 2015. Look who entered the championship and look at their credentials the caliber of drivers was much higher in those year.

2. If you look at 2015 Stroll (Prema) had 1 win and was 135 point of 4th place driver and highest rookie LeClerc (Van Amerfoorst). LeClerc and Stroll both were Ferrari Acadamy Drivers. Getting a beating like meant that LeClerc was 2nd in line behind Marciello at the time. His dad didn't like that and bought a piece of Williams racing to accommodate Lance.

3. In 2016 it became clear that GP3 was where the highly rated drivers would compete, if Stroll was that good he would have stepped up like Ocon did and mike the side step to GP3. If you wan't to be a legit F1 driver you should compete in series where the F1 bosses can see your talent. But daddy stroll deciced against that move because he would have to compete in a Prema against the likes off LeClerc, DeVries, Albon etc. He took the easy route to a certain championship and remained in F3 and the only opposition before the seasons started was Gunther. The rest of the field where rookies or just average drivers. As a second year driver who off course is talented and with the best team and without really opposition, he won the title surprise surprise....

For me the only drivers that should be considered for a F1 drive in 2017 are Charles Leclerc, Antonio Giovinazzi and Piere Gasly. Lance Stroll should drive GP2 for Prema to see if he is really the talent that everyone gives him credit for. Stroll is in my top5 of best junior drivers.

1. Giovinazzi
2. LeClerc
3. Gasly
4. Deletraz
5. Stroll

I rate him but I will put a asterisk behind his name because I want him to prove himself against better opposition. So for Williams and journo's to say he is as talented as the likes of Verstappen and Ocon is not right. Ocon won as a rookie in F3 and GP3 thats impressive also against much tougher opposition. Verstappen had the most wins as a 16 year old rookie driving with a mediocre team. Those are performances that stand out. What Stroll did finishing 4th 135 points behind fellow rookie Leclerc is not a stellar performance. Winning the 2016 F3 title in a pretty much talent drained year is not stellar to me, its a good performance not stellar. In my eyes you need to preform stellar in GP3 or F3 to make the jump into F1.
Irvine:"If you don't have a good car you can't win it, unless you are Michael or Senna. Lots of guys won in Adrian Newey's cars, big deal. Adrian is the real genius out there, there is Senna, there is Michael and there is Newey.They were the three great talents."

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LookBackTime wrote:A pay driver? No, Williams' Lance Stroll is good enough for Formula 1
Despite his financial backing, Canadian should not be dismissed as as pay driver explains F3 commentator Tom Gaymor

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12476/ ... -formula-1
You know that article is a little bit biased, when they glance over the fact that he had Williams engineers on top of working with the best junior team in F3. With the comment "you still have to deliver" come on using F1 engineers to compete against your main rivals in F3 in a topteam. Isn't that a little bit like cheating....And the fact they don't mention his Ferrari deal, which he effectively left because LeClerc got in his way.

I look at it, like this: Is he good enough to be in F1 in the future, yes. Has he earned his position in F1 on merit, i'm not sure right now. Are there better choices around driver talent wise, yes I think so! Is he the best choice your Williams, absolutely! Why? Williams gets funding from his fathers involvement and a driver who is talented and has potential. This is the ideal package for Williams.

But please don't compare his achievement with those of Ocon and Verstappen, because he is simply not of the same cloth.
Irvine:"If you don't have a good car you can't win it, unless you are Michael or Senna. Lots of guys won in Adrian Newey's cars, big deal. Adrian is the real genius out there, there is Senna, there is Michael and there is Newey.They were the three great talents."

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I will just re-publish this info from 2010!

Ferrari's 11-year-old wunderkind beats F1 driver in karting competition

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/23/ferr ... ting-comp/

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LookBackTime wrote:I will just re-publish this info from 2010!

Ferrari's 11-year-old wunderkind beats F1 driver in karting competition

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/23/ferr ... ting-comp/

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/G ... 002can.jpg
It's worth noting that with his more relevant experience and lower body weight, the young Stroll had a bit of an advantage.
From that same article. Anyhow, its not about karting because does not always translate in 1:1 comparison in junior categories. Giorgio Pantano was widely considered as the best kart racer ever in his time, did not cut it in F1. Like I said the kid is talented, but I just think he isn't in the league of Ocon or Verstappen and he needs to prove himself in GP2. Because, I don't think is 2016 performance was special it was good and solid against the lest talented drivers that competed this year. Would Stroll would have won GP3 title this year, I would not have anything to argue about.

And people calling him a paydriver are just ignorant. The only driver i would categorize as a paydriver in F1 at the moment is Ericsson, he never won a championship worth even talking about and when he got in to the dominant DAMS in 2013 GP2 he could't even deliver a top 3 championship result. No Stroll is of a much higher caliber. He is a driver that brings funds, but he has the talent to go along with. He eventually will prove himself I don't doubt that at all.

A little but more insight in his funding: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 78169.html

Use google translate
Irvine:"If you don't have a good car you can't win it, unless you are Michael or Senna. Lots of guys won in Adrian Newey's cars, big deal. Adrian is the real genius out there, there is Senna, there is Michael and there is Newey.They were the three great talents."

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Wouldn't it be nice to give this kind of farewell to Felipe!

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kooleracer wrote:
LookBackTime wrote:A pay driver? No, Williams' Lance Stroll is good enough for Formula 1
Despite his financial backing, Canadian should not be dismissed as as pay driver explains F3 commentator Tom Gaymor

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12476/ ... -formula-1
You know that article is a little bit biased, when they glance over the fact that he had Williams engineers on top of working with the best junior team in F3. With the comment "you still have to deliver" come on using F1 engineers to compete against your main rivals in F3 in a topteam. Isn't that a little bit like cheating....And the fact they don't mention his Ferrari deal, which he effectively left because LeClerc got in his way.

I look at it, like this: Is he good enough to be in F1 in the future, yes. Has he earned his position in F1 on merit, i'm not sure right now. Are there better choices around driver talent wise, yes I think so! Is he the best choice your Williams, absolutely! Why? Williams gets funding from his fathers involvement and a driver who is talented and has potential. This is the ideal package for Williams.

But please don't compare his achievement with those of Ocon and Verstappen, because he is simply not of the same cloth.
Stroll reportedly wanted out of the Ferrari program because the Williams program offered him a concrete opportunity rather than a pie in the sky.

Also you should go easy on the F3 class comparisons, you only know how a good a junior series class was years after the fact.

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GPR-A wrote:Wouldn't it be nice to give this kind of farewell to Felipe!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwSJMLgWYAAdI3a.jpg:large
If the FIA would allow it, it would be amazing. I mean, if Coulthard had one, why cant Felipe