We do also need to remember that the period of qualifying with race fuel schewed who did ‘the fastest lap’ quite a lot.sAx wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:03 amA degree of racing intelligence should be recognised too. Witness run down to Eau Rouge at Spa under extreme pressure and having the capacity to reduce effect of slipstream by easing off the throttle on the rise to Raidillon. Never heard any of the greats claim that as a possibility!ringo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:13 amHamilton = sportsmanship, qualifying pace, race craft, getting the most out of the car, rain master, mind games, etc.cplchanb wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:38 pm
i respectfully disagree with the statement omitting schumacher. theres a reason why he had the pole record until now. sure he had many poles in the dynasty era but many were also set in the darker years like 97-99 when other teams had better cars or at least as competitive. teammates wise apart from the tenure with prost and berger, most of the teammates were pretty subpar to him to begin with.
however when gauging greatness you cant just label someone legendary with bias towards their qualifying. its should be the entire package. schumi in undeniably legendary (good and bad ways) because not only was he the rainmaster and fast, he built a team around him from essentially losers to a dynasty. not to mention, qualifying during his strongest years were based on race fuel levels. alot of the poles that other drivers got during those years sacrificed their race performance. If you look at 2007/08 when hamilton had arguably the strongest cars of the field he didnt clean the poles because race fuel dictated alot of qualifying. likewise for senna. Im sure that if it was race fuel, alot of the magical poles wouldnt have happened.
just my 2 cents...
I don’t need to detail them all but go back and watch 2003-2006 and see how many times other teams would go lighter on fuel to get ahead of the faster Ferrari on the grid, only for Schumacher to do several more laps on his first stint and so jump them at the stops.
Just one case in point - and addressing another one of these little myths that have developed - is Japan 2006; Massa on pole ahead of Michael and one of the reasons some people have the notion that Felipe was on terms by the end of the year. He really wasn’t. Just watch the race and see how many more laps Michael does - it’s scary for a .112 gap in quali.
Fuel-corrected Schumacher’s tally is much higher, and so the idea he wasn’t as much of a quali-guy as Hamilton/Senna also a little off - although I do to some extent agree and you can see that drivers like Michael and Fernando are more geared towards race day, which is where they shine the most.