Andres125sx wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:35 am
Sainz accident in Canada was the same as Alonso with Kimi in Suzuka start in... 2012? Would you say Alonso showed a clear lack of awareness and insight?
For one thing yes, if any driver did that but Alonso he'd be judged pretty harshly for doing it but because it's Alonso people forgave it. In terms of comparing that one to Grojsean, had Alonso's car not stopped high up the corner he'd have come down mid pack and caused a truly horrible crash, he got extremely lucky he didn't because I think he would have been judged far more harshly. One of the reasons Grosjean was judged so harshly was the outcome as is always the way in F1. Straight up Alonso threw away the 2012 title with that move yet for 5 years since then like 98% of people I see talking about Alonso/Ferrari say they never provided him with a title capable car and he did everything he could. He had a 44 point lead that year, Spa obviously wasn't his fault, but neither were Vettel's two failures. Without that costly and stupid mistake in Suzuka Ferrari almost certainly wins the title and Ferrari absolutely gave him a car capable of achieving that.
However even there, it was the actual start and Alonso didn't actually see him. In canada Sainz literally stated he saw him and iirc he hit him twice, a little wheel bang before the full crash. His statements basically read that, he knew he was there, knew they touched, then he thought he just wasn't there any more so moved to the inside. First off, where the sweet jesus did Sainz think Grosjean had gone, alongside him a second ago, on a straight, but now he's just gone. Then even more importantly with that "excuse" is, who takes the inside line on that straight anyway? It's bad for the corner, if he believes Grosjean isn't there any more then he's not directly defending because no one who isn't already alongside will dive bomb the inside with that turn because you'll never make it.
That all leads me to believe that he both knew Grosjean was there and he figured he could squeeze him to get him to back off, then he's lied about what happened after, both of which make it significantly worse than Alonso's Suzuka accident, where Alonso COULD have seen Kimi but didn't. Sainz literally states he saw him, then his excuse isn't remotely plausible, he basically intentionally squeezed Grosjean exactly as Grosjean did to Hamilton, causing a similar kind of incident but at a slightly less dangerous corner. That hairpin and going right meant squeezing Ham on the inside was crazy dangerous. Had he like Alonso(did accidentally in his case) done it on the outside they might not have hit anyone else at all. If Sainz did that into the hairpin instead the crash would likely have been worse and taken out another 1-2 cars.