2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:28 am

i reckon the honda engine is on renault level or better because of the smaller package, next year cant come soon enough for me :) pointless blame game. the front wing they brought did not work, they reverted back to the old front wing in silverstone. so its not only a honda problem.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Revs84 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:11 pm

techman wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:28 am
i reckon the honda engine is on renault level or better because of the smaller package, next year cant come soon enough for me :) pointless blame game. the front wing they brought did not work, they reverted back to the old front wing in silverstone. so its not only a honda problem.
It's a bit of both. They neither have a top chassis nor a top engine.

Having read several praises from Gasly in the past, there's a probability he's doing this to push Honda to release more updates sooner.

For sure they know things we don't know, but I doubt he'll repeat such comments. We'll have to wait and see.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by ray=out » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:30 pm

I put my tin-foil hat on and take the comments as a subtle Red Bull group dig at Renault. Max said Renault was costing RBR 1.0 sec at Silverstone and Pierre said Honda was costing TR 0.9 sec, so the Honda is now 0.1 sec faster. :lol:

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Revs84 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:51 pm

ray=out wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:30 pm
I put my tin-foil hat on and take the comments as a subtle Red Bull group dig at Renault. Max said Renault was costing RBR 1.0 sec at Silverstone and Pierre said Honda was costing TR 0.9 sec, so the Honda is now 0.1 sec faster. :lol:
With an assumingly slower chassis :lol:

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:52 pm

:lol: ^ haha

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:49 pm

my only wish for this season is to get a experience driver in for hartley and mostly likely pascal. experience counts a lot in f1. we saw how many position gas lost from starts and safety car restarts. so really there are issues with driver also.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by !Technical » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:00 pm

I hope Hartley stays with the team the whole season and has an opportunity to show what he is capable of. We're all cheering for him in this part of the world in addition to our resident Danny Ric!

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Big Tea » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:44 pm

!Technical wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:00 pm
I hope Hartley stays with the team the whole season and has an opportunity to show what he is capable of. We're all cheering for him in this part of the world in addition to our resident Danny Ric!
Thats the problem, he is showing what he is capable of. :evil:

It was unfair to put him in so suddenly, but it is more or less the same for everyone now there is no testing.
I hoped he would come through, but he does not seem to be improving with races.
He has had a lot of bad luck, but much of it due to his own actions.
I am giving up on him now. (But open to,and happy being proven wrong)
One test is worth a thousand expert opinions

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:10 am

I hope Hartley stays with the team the whole season and has an opportunity to show what he is capable of. We're all cheering for him in this part of the world in addition to our resident Danny Ric!
i also support danny ric thatS because he is quick . personnaly i want the best drivers regardless what nationality he is from.so in my opinon , hartley has shown he not ready for f1. it will take a few more years. his race pace simulation are terrible in same machninery to gas. TR really doesnt know the true potential of that car without a quick driver. gas might be just average because hartly is underperforming who knows. thats why it best to put an experience driver to find out in place of hartley.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Ground Effect » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:22 pm

Let's see how Toro Rosso perform in Hungary, as Gasly says.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... e-1059660/
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by cyro_666 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:23 pm

Ground Effect wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:22 pm
Let's see how Toro Rosso perform in Hungary, as Gasly says.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... e-1059660/
The way they worded the article headline it seems almost like they have an agenda... Oh wait, it's motorsport.com, owned by Zak Brown.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:31 pm

gasly will be crying next year, seeing renault not wining any races, with renault. keep going gasly, its just a few more months before a a proven chassis and TR drivers will show how to be at the top. i alwasys believe one thing, never try two rookie who are still learning these tracks and F1. maybe TR and Honda should ask gasly why he lost positions at start and lost to perez after the safety car restart.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Ground Effect » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:50 pm

cyro_666 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:23 pm
Ground Effect wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:22 pm
Let's see how Toro Rosso perform in Hungary, as Gasly says.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... e-1059660/
The way they worded the article headline it seems almost like they have an agenda... Oh wait, it's motorsport.com, owned by Zak Brown.
I think it's worded based on the fact that he described the gap between the engines as huge, while they (Toro Rosso) have the better chassis

“In terms of chassis we are still ahead of them but in terms of engine and power unit package that they get from Ferrari they just make a huge difference with that.

“The chassis is good but with the engine we have we lose too much time.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by !Technical » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:29 pm

It's probably not as good as he thinks in comparison to the massive strides that Sauber has made in recent months. They understand their chassis very well. From the off, they knew what packaging requirements would be needed because they stuck with Ferrari. They are getting the tyres into the window at every single race. They are managing the tyres very well and have been further up the field compared to TR. It's not just magic from Leclerc. Ericsson has been up there fighting for top 10s as well. I've been very impressed by them so I would not be so quick to say that they have an inferior chassis to TR and that it is all the PU making the difference.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Bill » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:33 pm

Honda introduced a quali mode last year in monza,why does the current engine spec 2 does not have one Gasly frustration may stem from that ,they suppose to move forward not trip over themselves. The current spec looks like it was rushed to impress redbull so as to seal a deal