Wasn't star sports india a relatively new deal?Squid wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 03:29McLaren has updated their partner list. That is one much smaller list of corporate partners... Gone are Johnnie Walker, Santander, CNN, Star Sports India, Michael Kors and GREAT Britain.
But of greatest interest, Castrol is no longer listed as an official supplier. Could the Petrobras rumors be true after all?
Yup, announced at the end of March. Could it be possible that the deal had to be called off if it was signed as McLaren-Honda now that their partnership is off?makecry wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 07:25Wasn't star sports india a relatively new deal?Squid wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 03:29McLaren has updated their partner list. That is one much smaller list of corporate partners... Gone are Johnnie Walker, Santander, CNN, Star Sports India, Michael Kors and GREAT Britain.
But of greatest interest, Castrol is no longer listed as an official supplier. Could the Petrobras rumors be true after all?
I have a feeling Castrol's case might be something like that. They signed with McLaren-Honda. Now that there is no McLaren Honda, there is no more Castrol. Makes life harder for Zak Brown TBH.Squid wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 08:39Yup, announced at the end of March. Could it be possible that the deal had to be called off if it was signed as McLaren-Honda now that their partnership is off?makecry wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 07:25Wasn't star sports india a relatively new deal?Squid wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 03:29McLaren has updated their partner list. That is one much smaller list of corporate partners... Gone are Johnnie Walker, Santander, CNN, Star Sports India, Michael Kors and GREAT Britain.
But of greatest interest, Castrol is no longer listed as an official supplier. Could the Petrobras rumors be true after all?
And what about KPMG, i thought I've seen that logo in recent years...Squid wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 03:29McLaren has updated their partner list. That is one much smaller list of corporate partners... Gone are Johnnie Walker, Santander, CNN, Star Sports India, Michael Kors and GREAT Britain.
But of greatest interest, Castrol is no longer listed as an official supplier. Could the Petrobras rumors be true after all?
And strangely no mention of Renault... disite all the kind “we’re important partners” press talks, looks like they are not.lio007 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 10:34And what about KPMG, i thought I've seen that logo in recent years...Squid wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 03:29McLaren has updated their partner list. That is one much smaller list of corporate partners... Gone are Johnnie Walker, Santander, CNN, Star Sports India, Michael Kors and GREAT Britain.
But of greatest interest, Castrol is no longer listed as an official supplier. Could the Petrobras rumors be true after all?
didnt mclaren say they have top 3 chassis , and it only due to honda that they cant show performance. so yes i hope they can show us a top 3 performance in 2018 and finish ahead of redbull, if not its a disappointment from their engineers. let seeThey cahange PU and magicaly move up 4 spots and that exposes McLaren incompetent enginers. LMAO.
They can say what they like when it's impossible to prove. They were the only team with a Honda engine.techman wrote:didnt mclaren say they have top 3 chassis , and it only due to honda that they cant show performance. so yes i hope they can show us a top 3 performance in 2018 and finish ahead of redbull, if not its a disappointment from their engineers. let seeThey cahange PU and magicaly move up 4 spots and that exposes McLaren incompetent enginers. LMAO.
Even if McLaren's Chassis was better than RBR they'd be underdogs to finish ahead....Stoffel isn't at Max or Ricardo's level yet. He'd have to have a major jump in his driving for McLaren to finish ahead of RBR.techman wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:14didnt mclaren say they have top 3 chassis , and it only due to honda that they cant show performance. so yes i hope they can show us a top 3 performance in 2018 and finish ahead of redbull, if not its a disappointment from their engineers. let seeThey cahange PU and magicaly move up 4 spots and that exposes McLaren incompetent enginers. LMAO.
Indeed. Until you add context the statement '3rd best chassis' means nothing.diffuser wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 15:54Even if McLaren's Chassis was better than RBR they'd be underdogs to finish ahead....Stoffel isn't at Max or Ricardo's level yet. He'd have to have a major jump in his driving for McLaren to finish ahead of RBR.techman wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:14didnt mclaren say they have top 3 chassis , and it only due to honda that they cant show performance. so yes i hope they can show us a top 3 performance in 2018 and finish ahead of redbull, if not its a disappointment from their engineers. let seeThey cahange PU and magicaly move up 4 spots and that exposes McLaren incompetent enginers. LMAO.
Also having a top 3 chassis doesn't mean you finish 3ird. There are many other things to consider. You could argue that Merc had , at best, the 3ird best chassis but yet they won it all.
Anyways, not sure why I bother, you're just gonna believe whatever you want to believe and ignore what you see. The statement from above, that you made, is a clear indication of that.
Yeah, McLaren sucks, Alonso sucks, Red Bull would be seconds ahead of Mercedes and Ferrari, Force India unbeatable in 4th, all the money that Williams and Toro Rosso carries, you really have no idea what you're actually talking about do you? I'm not expecting them to beat Red Bull from the start, but it ain't impossible, they have done it before. You guys really need to stop acting like Red Bull are some kinds of gods, they're not, Mercedes are. Let's see how RB will handle these new suspension rules.Manoah2u wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 16:53I'm really baffled at how people take it from thin air that Mclaren could reach P4 in the WCC just by an engine transplant.
Force India with a relatively tiny budget snatched P4. They were above all consistant and had a great driver pairing, given.
yet all the money in the world that Williams carries, Renault carries, and Toro Rosso carries, diddn't get them past Force India,
with a gigantic lead over the rest one might say. And that includes 2 teams that had the Renault engines.
It's a stretch to think Mclaren instantly can beat or reach RedBull only because of the same engine, and them saying they have the best chassis.
Funny enough, RedBull also claims they had the best chassis, but if they had an engine like Mercedes/Ferrari, they'd be miles and miles away in the distance.
And here comes Mclaren from years and years of abysmal results, incredible stress that only recently with Brown has been 'relieved' somewhat, years of missing
the mark completely with the chassis, and we are to expect them to just jump in and beat RedBull?
As much as i'd like to see Mclaren back at the front, that rather sounds like still believing Santa exists.
Do people forget Adrian Newey is essentially still the one that makes the magic happen at RedBull? RB missed the mark at the start a bit - also hampered by engine problems -
and Newey involved himself more and in no-time they were back at the top. It's already announced he's far more involved with 2018's competitor than last years, which only
tells you to expect even more from RedBull.
Mclaren at best would find themselves right behind Force India for 2018. And that is if their engines aren't handgrenades like the both the renaults and the honda engines
of 2017.
Matter of fact, Alonso parked a perfectly good working Mclaren - supposedly more than once - with no engine problems because he didnt feel like finishing p16 or something like that.
"No speed" No speed!". I do wonder how many times the Renault engine will desintegrate in 2018 with the even more restricted engine usage, and Renault's work to get more power
from it.
And as mentioned above, who's to say the Alonso-VanDoorne combo is that good?
Is Alonso still 'that good' or is VanDoorne actually rather bad by being far behind him for the larger part of the season?
vanDoorne is relatively still quite the rookie. If any, you'd have to compare him to Bottas in his 2nd year, and quite frankly, that was very underwhelming. As for Alonso, how good still is he? how motivated is he still?
I like to think of him as great, and he has had some great battles during the year.
He could be still the very best and mature one out there - but at the same time, even that is a variable we haven't had any decent comparison for in the last couple of years.
I have a high regards for Button, but don't see Jenson as Hamilton/Senna material. Yet Button stood his ground against Alonso. and after Ferrari, Alonso's only reasonable comparison material has been Button.
After all, VanDoorne is 'just' a rookie,
whereas Ricciardo and Verstappen aswell as Ocon and Perez are all fully on fire and focus.