2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by nzjrs » Wed May 02, 2018 11:00 am

iichel wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm
Damage on Alonsos diffuser, slightly different lighting than the pictures above

https://i.imgur.com/9juBysb.png
I often wonder if the aerodynamicists learn something from situations like these. In Austria? I think Max took small floor damage and claimed the car was undrivable - but the McLaren takes off half its diffuser and Alonso finishes P7.

The effect could have been track specific, Baku is quite unique, but interesting nonetheless.

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by marvin78 » Wed May 02, 2018 11:08 am

You have to say, it would have been Pos 10,11 or worse if all cars in front finished (which is not unusual in current F1).

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by Xero » Wed May 02, 2018 11:34 am

nzjrs wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:00 am
I often wonder if the aerodynamicists learn something from situations like these. In Austria? I think Max took small floor damage and claimed the car was undrivable - but the McLaren takes off half its diffuser and Alonso finishes P7.

The effect could have been track specific, Baku is quite unique, but interesting nonetheless.
It's most definitely tracks specific. Baku is all about mechanical grip and grunt, whereas Austria demands good downforce.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by GoranF1 » Wed May 02, 2018 11:34 am

All we need now is the update to work...

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/02/alo ... liability/
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by adrianjordan » Wed May 02, 2018 11:40 am

radosav wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 11:13 pm
This guy is engineer at McLaren.
https://blogs.20minutos.es/formula-1-al ... an-roldan/
Yes, I think we already knew that.
In 2007 I had the chance to go to a meet-and-greet with an F1 test driver. I decided not to as I didn't think he'd even amount to much...he was the BMW Sauber test driver and his name was Sebastian Vettel...

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by adrianjordan » Wed May 02, 2018 11:46 am

marvin78 wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:08 am
You have to say, it would have been Pos 10,11 or worse if all cars in front finished (which is not unusual in current F1).
But if we're playing what-ifs then you have to allow for Alonso not getting crashed into at the start. I think P7 would still have been possible in a normal race judging by his pace in a wounded car!!
In 2007 I had the chance to go to a meet-and-greet with an F1 test driver. I decided not to as I didn't think he'd even amount to much...he was the BMW Sauber test driver and his name was Sebastian Vettel...

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by marvin78 » Wed May 02, 2018 11:47 am

But that was not the point. In what way do you not play with what-ifs?

Is say that P7 is not indication for anything. It was no "normal" race.

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by adrianjordan » Wed May 02, 2018 11:52 am

marvin78 wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:47 am
But that was not the point. In what way do you not play with what-ifs?

Is say that P7 is not indication for anything. It was no "normal" race.
You said that they would have been P10 or 11 if all the cars in front finished. But they didn't. That is a fact.

You're hypothesising based on "what if" all the cars finished (ie: a normal race).

So if you're assuming that cars in front didn't crash into each other, then we have to also allow for Alonso not getting crashed into.

And if the cars in front didn't crash and Alonso still managed to come back to P10 with all the damage he had to his car, then I would still say that's not a bad thing. Many drivers would have retired that car!!
In 2007 I had the chance to go to a meet-and-greet with an F1 test driver. I decided not to as I didn't think he'd even amount to much...he was the BMW Sauber test driver and his name was Sebastian Vettel...

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by GoranF1 » Wed May 02, 2018 11:53 am

"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication & competence."

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Thunder » Wed May 02, 2018 12:21 pm

turbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
#aerogollum

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by max_speed » Wed May 02, 2018 12:53 pm

read this , if you want to know how great alonso's drive was:

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... aku_drive/

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by santos » Wed May 02, 2018 5:01 pm

I find weird how a "normal" Mclaren with Vandoorne, struggling with the tyres more then a damaged Mclaren with Alonso.
Maybe they should damage the car every race.

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by Big Tea » Wed May 02, 2018 5:41 pm

santos wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 5:01 pm
I find weird how a "normal" Mclaren with Vandoorne, struggling with the tyres more then a damaged Mclaren with Alonso.
Maybe they should damage the car every race.
I was thinking along those lines. Either aero is way over estimated, or Mclaren's is not so good anyway.
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by diffuser » Wed May 02, 2018 6:00 pm

nzjrs wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:00 am
iichel wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm
Damage on Alonsos diffuser, slightly different lighting than the pictures above

https://i.imgur.com/9juBysb.png
I often wonder if the aerodynamicists learn something from situations like these. In Austria? I think Max took small floor damage and claimed the car was undrivable - but the McLaren takes off half its diffuser and Alonso finishes P7.

The effect could have been track specific, Baku is quite unique, but interesting nonetheless.
I take from it that Alonso is better than Max ! you ?

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by zeph » Thu May 03, 2018 8:29 am

Wow, just wow. Alonso has been my favorite driver ever since he beat Schumi, but this? Insane!