More details about McLaren's technical leadership changes are becoming public as it has now become clear that Toro Rosso's highly valued technical director, James Key, is set to join McLaren in the same role.
No, they made a wrong decidion to switch to Renault.
I have to agree with everything you have said, as sad as it is to say.Shader wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 20:52It's time to face the music. Dumping honda was a HUGE failure from McLaren management. Outpaced by ... pretty much everyone... Honda and Renault a side, the car is very, Very, compromised. Greetings to Matt Morris and his comments on great engine integration and no compromises... We have new Williams here.
S-A-U-B-E-R has a massive cash injection in this season. And i am not looking for excuses. This result today is very very poor indeed. So far in this season Mclaren was in points at every race with atleast one car which is good. The worrying thing is Renault and others are starting to outperform them. Maybe they improve tomorrow an score points again, but something has to be done with qualifying pace.
Who needs force India staff when they can hire the people on this thread who seem to know everything about how the car's aero works and how to run a team?BrunoH wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 20:59They complicate things, they have the most useless complicated aero just for the sake of having new stuff... they need to get rid of the vast junk. coming into canada with top sidepods vortices said it all... what a fail.
that Boulier need to go, said it for the past 3 years! i dont understand why the hell he is kept there.
they need to go after some Force india staff they do so good with a lot less... aff just total disaster.
Agreedproteus wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 21:02S-A-U-B-E-R has a massive cash injection in this season. And i am not looking for excuses. This result today is very very poor indeed. So far in this season Mclaren was in points at every race with atleast one car which is good. The worrying thing is Renault and others are starting to outperform them. Maybe they improve tomorrow an score points again, but something has to be done with qualifying pace.
The fact that the whole pack is clustered together inside 1,5 seconds doesnt help either. I believe the reason for problems are completely in the opposite side. The team is now fully owned and financed by people who are not really knowing much about racing and running a racing team. Having tons of money doesnt mean much if u throw it arround without proper experience. Ron Dennis was a man who lived for racing and he knew how to operate a racing team, i dont know much about Oijeh, but the main leadership is far far from Ron Dennis and other chiefs in the business....
And this quite might be a nail in the coffin. In my opinion Mclaren firstly needs a british (or european) owner who knows his way in the motorsport. As long as the owners will be only the people whose wealth comes from oil magnats, the team wont work.
Stop making excuses, it has nothing to do with the late switch. The chassis probably hasn't been good in the last 5 years. The switch to Renault was the right one, else they would have still pointed fingers to Honda.GoranF1 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 20:57No, they made a wrong decidion to switch to Renault.
I am not saying that because of latest Honda PU, but because that decidion was simply too late and it compromised this car to unfixble degree.
They should of stick whit Honda, and have stronger results in later part of 2018.
I can't see Alonso stay in 2019.
What Boulier has to do with the car aero? Is he the one who lookes at the sketch or a new part and decides if it aesthetically pleases him? He is an organiser and a PR person. Boulier is the guy who is the least to blame about a bad car.BrunoH wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 20:59They complicate things, they have the most useless complicated aero just for the sake of having new stuff... they need to get rid of the vast junk. coming into canada with top sidepods vortices said it all... what a fail.
that Boulier need to go, said it for the past 3 years! i dont understand why the hell he is kept there.
they need to go after some Force india staff they do so good with a lot less... aff just total disaster.
Agreed... One just needs to see what year did McLaren loose a title sponsor. Honda probably contributed to bad performance, but things started to go down before, with MP4-29. In 2018, things are very much clear now.RonDennis wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 21:06Stop making excuses, it has nothing to do with the late switch. The chassis probably hasn't been good in the last 5 years. The switch to Renault was the right one, else they would have still pointed fingers to Honda.GoranF1 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 20:57No, they made a wrong decidion to switch to Renault.
I am not saying that because of latest Honda PU, but because that decidion was simply too late and it compromised this car to unfixble degree.
They should of stick whit Honda, and have stronger results in later part of 2018.
I can't see Alonso stay in 2019.
Massive cash injection, where do you get those nonsense from? It's a relatively small deal.proteus wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 21:02S-A-U-B-E-R has a massive cash injection in this season. And i am not looking for excuses. This result today is very very poor indeed. So far in this season Mclaren was in points at every race with atleast one car which is good. The worrying thing is Renault and others are starting to outperform them. Maybe they improve tomorrow an score points again, but something has to be done with qualifying pace.
The fact that the whole pack is clustered together inside 1,5 seconds doesnt help either. I believe the reason for problems are completely in the opposite side. The team is now fully owned and financed by people who are not really knowing much about racing and running a racing team. Having tons of money doesnt mean much if u throw it arround without proper experience. Ron Dennis was a man who lived for racing and he knew how to operate a racing team, i dont know much about Oijeh, but the main leadership is far far from Ron Dennis and other chiefs in the business....
And this quite might be a nail in the coffin. In my opinion Mclaren firstly needs a british (or european) owner who knows his way in the motorsport. As long as the owners will be only the people whose wealth comes from oil magnats, the team wont work.
absolutely , the car was never good and now there a big gap in that chassis is getting exposed. mclaren have a bigger budget than TR and brought a b spec and have more man power with better drivers, so it time mclaren hire some good aero people and work on the car for next yearStop making excuses, it has nothing to do with the late switch. The chassis probably hasn't been good in the last 5 years. The switch to Renault was the right one, else they would have still pointed fingers to Honda.
They had a title sponsor, Honda. They had plenty of time and money in the last few years to be 4th fastest. Just look at Force India, budget helps, but it all starts with a good staff.Shader wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 21:10Agreed... One just needs to see what year did McLaren loose a title sponsor. Honda probably contributed to bad performance, but things started to go down with MP4-29. In 2018, things are very much clear where the problem lies.RonDennis wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 21:06Stop making excuses, it has nothing to do with the late switch. The chassis probably hasn't been good in the last 5 years. The switch to Renault was the right one, else they would have still pointed fingers to Honda.GoranF1 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 20:57
No, they made a wrong decidion to switch to Renault.
I am not saying that because of latest Honda PU, but because that decidion was simply too late and it compromised this car to unfixble degree.
They should of stick whit Honda, and have stronger results in later part of 2018.
I can't see Alonso stay in 2019.
Spot on. The team is managed by folks who are clueless about running a racing team. Ron Dennis made McLaren a legendary Formule One team. It used to be an example of how teams should pay attention to detail, the best of the best when it came to mechanical grip. Look now.. traction is horrible, drag is horrible, downforce is horrible.. they are just a shadow of the greatness they once were.proteus wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 21:02S-A-U-B-E-R has a massive cash injection in this season. And i am not looking for excuses. This result today is very very poor indeed. So far in this season Mclaren was in points at every race with atleast one car which is good. The worrying thing is Renault and others are starting to outperform them. Maybe they improve tomorrow an score points again, but something has to be done with qualifying pace.
The fact that the whole pack is clustered together inside 1,5 seconds doesnt help either. I believe the reason for problems are completely in the opposite side. The team is now fully owned and financed by people who are not really knowing much about racing and running a racing team. Having tons of money doesnt mean much if u throw it arround without proper experience. Ron Dennis was a man who lived for racing and he knew how to operate a racing team, i dont know much about Oijeh, but the main leadership is far far from Ron Dennis and other chiefs in the business....
And this quite might be a nail in the coffin. In my opinion Mclaren firstly needs a british (or european) owner who knows his way in the motorsport. As long as the owners will be only the people whose wealth comes from oil magnats, the team wont work.
