2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[mclaren111]

Because he was the weak link in last Mclaren era, weak link in Ferrari...where ever he comes the ship goes down.

Lol. McLaren switched yearly between Fry and Goss.

Pat Fry was responsible for the MP4-20 (Autosport's 2005 Racing Car Of The Year), MP4-22 (Autosport's 2007 Racing Car Of The Year) and the MP4-24 chassis.

Costa is also garbage according to you? Because he also left Ferrari and now works for Mercedes.

You need to get your facts checked.
And yes Costa is same level as Fry.

Great news !! That means - just like Merc - we will be Champions for the next four years !!

[flmkane]

Adrian Newey was the designer of the MP4-20, the MP4-22 was a derivative of the 21, which was an evolution of the 19, which itself was a debugged Mp4-18. In short they were all descended from the work of Adrian Newey.

Correct, to an extent. However, the MP4-20 was the last truly Newey designed McLaren. Yes the subsequent cars up until MP4-23 were derivatives but they were developed without Newey under Fry, Goss and Lowe. Remember the first direct descendent from the MP4-20, the MP4-21, was winless.

And if you will recall, the MP4-24 chassis was utter garbage until the put a Double Diffuser in it. Even then it was only good in the hands of Hamilton.

Wrong. The MP4-24 remained a dog until the Germany upgrade package that consisted of more than just the double diffuser. The car already had a previous iteration of the double diffuser before Germany if I recall correctly. And suddenly, after Germany, it became the 2nd fastest car in most races behind the RB5 and the fastest in some. As for it only being good in Hamilton’s hands, Kovalainen was hardly any good in the championship-winning MP4-23 was he?

Similarly, the Mp4-26 was pretty lackluster, and the Mp4-28 was the first of the current series of winless Mclaren F1 cars. Versus the 25 and 27, which were quick. The 27 was even quicker than the 2012 Red Bull RB-8 in many races. Guess which ones Fry was in charge of ? Not the good ones.

Wrong again. The MP4-26 wasn’t lacklustre at all. Overall, it was the second fastest car throughout the season with it being the fastest at many races. Heck it won 6 races when it should’ve won 8 or 9 (Spain, Monaco, Korea to name but a few). I agree that the MP4-25 and MP4-27 were quick cars and should’ve Hamilton the WDC but for a number of events that occurred. And Fry wasn’t responsible for any McLaren after the MP4-25 as he had left the team in May 2010.

I sense much Cognitive Dissonance.

Wasn’t really needed was it? Instead of attempting to insult, maybe you should get your facts straight?

Soooo you basically repeat everything I wrote in a much longer post and then try and change a few facts, to try and make make me appear uninformed? Damn dude with reading comprehension and writing skills like that you could be the US President!

That aside, I remember the 2009 and 2011 seasons very well and I stand by my assertion that the MP4-26 and 24 were junk cars. Second fastest to Red Bull in 2004 is like saying BAR Honda was second fastest in 2004 compared to Ferrari. Ie it doesn't mean much.

[adrianjordan]

Adrian Newey was the designer of the MP4-20, the MP4-22 was a derivative of the 21, which was an evolution of the 19, which itself was a debugged Mp4-18. In short they were all descended from the work of Adrian Newey.

Correct, to an extent. However, the MP4-20 was the last truly Newey designed McLaren. Yes the subsequent cars up until MP4-23 were derivatives but they were developed without Newey under Fry, Goss and Lowe. Remember the first direct descendent from the MP4-20, the MP4-21, was winless.

And if you will recall, the MP4-24 chassis was utter garbage until the put a Double Diffuser in it. Even then it was only good in the hands of Hamilton.

Wrong. The MP4-24 remained a dog until the Germany upgrade package that consisted of more than just the double diffuser. The car already had a previous iteration of the double diffuser before Germany if I recall correctly. And suddenly, after Germany, it became the 2nd fastest car in most races behind the RB5 and the fastest in some. As for it only being good in Hamilton’s hands, Kovalainen was hardly any good in the championship-winning MP4-23 was he?

Similarly, the Mp4-26 was pretty lackluster, and the Mp4-28 was the first of the current series of winless Mclaren F1 cars. Versus the 25 and 27, which were quick. The 27 was even quicker than the 2012 Red Bull RB-8 in many races. Guess which ones Fry was in charge of ? Not the good ones.

Wrong again. The MP4-26 wasn’t lacklustre at all. Overall, it was the second fastest car throughout the season with it being the fastest at many races. Heck it won 6 races when it should’ve won 8 or 9 (Spain, Monaco, Korea to name but a few). I agree that the MP4-25 and MP4-27 were quick cars and should’ve Hamilton the WDC but for a number of events that occurred. And Fry wasn’t responsible for any McLaren after the MP4-25 as he had left the team in May 2010.

I sense much Cognitive Dissonance.

Wasn’t really needed was it? Instead of attempting to insult, maybe you should get your facts straight?

Soooo you basically repeat everything I wrote in a much longer post and then try and change a few facts, to try and make make me appear uninformed? Damn dude with reading comprehension and writing skills like that you could be the US President!

That aside, I remember the 2009 and 2011 seasons very well and I stand by my assertion that the MP4-26 and 24 were junk cars. Second fastest to Red Bull in 2004 is like saying BAR Honda was second fastest in 2004 compared to Ferrari. Ie it doesn't mean much.

Well it means faster than Ferrari, Mercedes and every other team that wasn't 2nd fastest to Red Bull....

[RonDennis]

Because he was the weak link in last Mclaren era, weak link in Ferrari...where ever he comes the ship goes down.

Lol. McLaren switched yearly between Fry and Goss.

Pat Fry was responsible for the MP4-20 (Autosport's 2005 Racing Car Of The Year), MP4-22 (Autosport's 2007 Racing Car Of The Year) and the MP4-24 chassis.

Costa is also garbage according to you? Because he also left Ferrari and now works for Mercedes.

What did I just read?

Adrian Newey was the designer of the MP4-20, the MP4-22 was a derivative of the 21, which was an evolution of the 19, which itself was a debugged Mp4-18. In short they were all descended from the work of Adrian Newey.

And if you will recall, the MP4-24 chassis was utter garbage until the put a Double Diffuser in it. Even then it was only good in the hands of Hamilton.

Similarly, the Mp4-26 was pretty lackluster, and the Mp4-28 was the first of the current series of winless Mclaren F1 cars. Versus the 25 and 27, which were quick. The 27 was even quicker than the 2012 Red Bull RB-8 in many races. Guess which ones Fry was in charge of ? Not the good ones.

I sense much Cognitive Dissonance.

If you want to insult someone, I suggest you get your facts straight. Talking about lackluster cars that were developed after Fry left, should I call you stupid now?

[Jolle]

Lol. McLaren switched yearly between Fry and Goss.

Pat Fry was responsible for the MP4-20 (Autosport's 2005 Racing Car Of The Year), MP4-22 (Autosport's 2007 Racing Car Of The Year) and the MP4-24 chassis.

Costa is also garbage according to you? Because he also left Ferrari and now works for Mercedes.

What did I just read?

Adrian Newey was the designer of the MP4-20, the MP4-22 was a derivative of the 21, which was an evolution of the 19, which itself was a debugged Mp4-18. In short they were all descended from the work of Adrian Newey.

And if you will recall, the MP4-24 chassis was utter garbage until the put a Double Diffuser in it. Even then it was only good in the hands of Hamilton.

Similarly, the Mp4-26 was pretty lackluster, and the Mp4-28 was the first of the current series of winless Mclaren F1 cars. Versus the 25 and 27, which were quick. The 27 was even quicker than the 2012 Red Bull RB-8 in many races. Guess which ones Fry was in charge of ? Not the good ones.

I sense much Cognitive Dissonance.

If you want to insult someone, I suggest you get your facts straight. Talking about lackluster cars that were developed after Fry left, should I call you stupid now?

https://youtu.be/colH1Efm-9Y?t=4m27s

What I remember that the 2009 car was initially so bad that they put the wider 2008 rear wing back on at winter testing.

[WaikeCU]

What did I just read?

Adrian Newey was the designer of the MP4-20, the MP4-22 was a derivative of the 21, which was an evolution of the 19, which itself was a debugged Mp4-18. In short they were all descended from the work of Adrian Newey.

And if you will recall, the MP4-24 chassis was utter garbage until the put a Double Diffuser in it. Even then it was only good in the hands of Hamilton.

Similarly, the Mp4-26 was pretty lackluster, and the Mp4-28 was the first of the current series of winless Mclaren F1 cars. Versus the 25 and 27, which were quick. The 27 was even quicker than the 2012 Red Bull RB-8 in many races. Guess which ones Fry was in charge of ? Not the good ones.

I sense much Cognitive Dissonance.

If you want to insult someone, I suggest you get your facts straight. Talking about lackluster cars that were developed after Fry left, should I call you stupid now?

https://youtu.be/colH1Efm-9Y?t=4m27s

What I remember that the 2009 car was initially so bad that they put the wider 2008 rear wing back on at winter testing.

I remember during Winter testing they came with version of the floor they thought would be very effective, but turned out to be disastrous.

[M840TR]

Norris will do another FP1 session in Sochi. Team is definitely fully focused on 2019.

[Chicane]

The team preview doesn't mention who he will be replacing in FP1. Since they are alternating, it could be Alonso this time.

[M840TR]

AMuS reporting Alonso might stay as a test driver for 2019. Makes since given they don't have any for next season and it gives the option for him to stay in the loop and possibly make a comeback.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... onso-2019/

[charliesmithhd]

AMuS reporting Alonso might stay as a test driver for 2019. Makes since given they don't have any for next season and it gives the option for him to stay in the loop and possibly make a comeback.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... onso-2019/

Who is there reserve?

[Jackles-UK]

Would also be an incredibly useful resource to have during winter testing to give direct comparisons of the MCL33 & 34. Only slight issue would be that if Sainz or Norris go through a sticky patch next year then the fact that one of the best F1 drivers around is sitting in the simulator could become a bit uncomfortable.

[M840TR]

AMuS reporting Alonso might stay as a test driver for 2019. Makes since given they don't have any for next season and it gives the option for him to stay in the loop and possibly make a comeback.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... onso-2019/

Who is there reserve?

Currently Norris.

[M840TR]

Would also be an incredibly useful resource to have during winter testing to give direct comparisons of the MCL33 & 34. Only slight issue would be that if Sainz or Norris go through a sticky patch next year then the fact that one of the best F1 drivers around is sitting in the simulator could become a bit uncomfortable.

Indeed. And in terms of general feedback as well which will probably translate to on-track testing more than sim.
They both have a two-year contract though.

[Jolle]

Would also be an incredibly useful resource to have during winter testing to give direct comparisons of the MCL33 & 34. Only slight issue would be that if Sainz or Norris go through a sticky patch next year then the fact that one of the best F1 drivers around is sitting in the simulator could become a bit uncomfortable.

Indeed. And in terms of general feedback as well which will probably translate to on-track testing more than sim.
They both have a two-year contract though.

I wonder of Alonso even saw the inside of the McLaren sim... When at Baku for the first time, the drivers in the pressco were asked if they trained in the sim, when Alonso was asked he as almost surprised they even asked him this question and his answer was a resolute No.

[M840TR]

Would also be an incredibly useful resource to have during winter testing to give direct comparisons of the MCL33 & 34. Only slight issue would be that if Sainz or Norris go through a sticky patch next year then the fact that one of the best F1 drivers around is sitting in the simulator could become a bit uncomfortable.

Indeed. And in terms of general feedback as well which will probably translate to on-track testing more than sim.
They both have a two-year contract though.

I wonder of Alonso even saw the inside of the McLaren sim... When at Baku for the first time, the drivers in the pressco were asked if they trained in the sim, when Alonso was asked he as almost surprised they even asked him this question and his answer was a resolute No.

I remember that. Still out-qualified Button by 0.6 sec. The man has a hectic schedule anyway. Why add an extra unnecessary duty.