proteus wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:14 am
Bill wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:52 pm
Let see how the Honda pu performs in the Redbull because Mclaren fans will never admit that their beloved team is subpar if they don't perform it must be someone problem. Honda had a decent pu for the whole of 2016 and second half of 2017 , so half the time for the duration of Mclaren relationship. Mclaren lost a lot of staff to Mercedes that's source of their problem
Honda engine was decent, but thirsty, which meaned it was not competitive in long runs. Safety cars were the salvation in those situations. Launch control was superb if not the best and packaging was good. But i strongly disagree Honda is now better than Renault. We will see if Redbull gets more wins in the next season, then they did with Renault.
Being behind in power automatically means thirstier under current PU reg in the first place. Whether or how much you need to save fuel depends also on positioning, strategy and track config and weather. In 2016 Canada Rosberg suffered from severe fuel saving because he was in battles throughout the race, Raikkonen suffered from severe fuel saving issue in number of races across the years, in Sochi 2016 Alonso had to save fuel a lot while Button didnt need to at all because the former was running alone throughout the race while the latter was always running in tow behind slower cars, etc etc, you can just search by terms like "driver's name fuel saving" and you will see. And depending on strategy, track config and weather, they all often carry less fuel intentionally at tracks with high probability of safety car, when weather forecast says high probability of rain during race, also quali positioning and so on, because lighter the fuel the better for tyre and lap time, but sometimes they get it wrong forcing them to save more fuel than normal and others.
Regarding where Honda is now, I really dont see the reason why some have to decide which one is better, why not just settle with that the two are more or less the same with one is better in some aspects and vice versa, with clear margin to the top 2. Also whether Red Bull will get more or less wins next year compared to this year does not prove anything about PU pecking order for 2018 nor 2019 because field order will change. You have to swap RBR's engine to Honda while all the other variables and factors stay exactly the same in order to compare which PU is better, which is absurd. Some people brandish points, WCC standing and PU count as bible but you always have to see and analyze the contents, McLaren upped WCC from 9th to 6th but they dropped pecking order, their car (overall package) got worse, McLaren Renault is 6th and STR Honda is 9th but STR13-RA618H is better than MCL33-R.E.18, Honda used as many PUs as last year but they improved reliability (not saying they got it right, but improved reliability), etc etc.