2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Big Mangalhit » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:47 pm

I really think that top speed is way more a sign of the drag of the car than the engine power. Just think that to get only 1 more km/h at >300km/h speeds you need quite a few kw of power. Yet only the opening of DRS or a tow can increase that value way more. Just imagine if they would take out the upper flap of both wings, they'd probably lose lap time but their speed on the straights would greatly improve. Engine power I think is more noticeable by how fast the car accelerates out of the corner. if you look at gps telemetry data comparing different engined cars we can see the best engine reaches peak speed faster but usually the slower one is able to reach almost the same top speed.

Like you can see in this telemetry data Image after the first corner the blue car seems to accelerate faster in the beginning (even tho he leaves the corner with higher speed I think the distance between blue and red line are getting further apart just after the dotted line) but regardless of that both reach a point that the drag is just so high that they equalize in speed because a difference in 10-20kw brings very little extra speed when you go that fast.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by BwajSF » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:47 am

Big Mangalhit wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:47 pm
I really think that top speed is way more a sign of the drag of the car than the engine power. Just think that to get only 1 more km/h at >300km/h speeds you need quite a few kw of power. Yet only the opening of DRS or a tow can increase that value way more. Just imagine if they would take out the upper flap of both wings, they'd probably lose lap time but their speed on the straights would greatly improve. Engine power I think is more noticeable by how fast the car accelerates out of the corner. if you look at gps telemetry data comparing different engined cars we can see the best engine reaches peak speed faster but usually the slower one is able to reach almost the same top speed.

Like you can see in this telemetry data https://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 2011-1.jpg after the first corner the blue car seems to accelerate faster in the beginning (even tho he leaves the corner with higher speed I think the distance between blue and red line are getting further apart just after the dotted line) but regardless of that both reach a point that the drag is just so high that they equalize in speed because a difference in 10-20kw brings very little extra speed when you go that fast.
Nice Piece of Data and analysis ...@Big Mangalhit..
It is true... In F1 almost all engine attain the same top speed in the range of 340kmph+ based on teams... The only places where the Engine Performances vary is the Initial Traction part i.e. how quickly the car accelerates and the absolute high end speed..
The more Aero Efficiency the car has ,the lesser power you ll need to run is quickly... I believe that is where SF71H has its silver bullet its very Aero Efficient More than Mercs i guess.. Because we have topped the Speed Traps and also we were Damn Quick in Corners too..

Hope to see this car begin a new Era... #ForzaFerrari

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by MtthsMlw » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:19 am

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Vettel165 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:24 am

Big Mangalhit wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:47 pm
I really think that top speed is way more a sign of the drag of the car than the engine power. Just think that to get only 1 more km/h at >300km/h speeds you need quite a few kw of power. Yet only the opening of DRS or a tow can increase that value way more. Just imagine if they would take out the upper flap of both wings, they'd probably lose lap time but their speed on the straights would greatly improve. Engine power I think is more noticeable by how fast the car accelerates out of the corner. if you look at gps telemetry data comparing different engined cars we can see the best engine reaches peak speed faster but usually the slower one is able to reach almost the same top speed.

Like you can see in this telemetry data https://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 2011-1.jpg after the first corner the blue car seems to accelerate faster in the beginning (even tho he leaves the corner with higher speed I think the distance between blue and red line are getting further apart just after the dotted line) but regardless of that both reach a point that the drag is just so high that they equalize in speed because a difference in 10-20kw brings very little extra speed when you go that fast.
Fantastic post mate, I agree with everything, nothing to add here.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Big Mangalhit » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:42 am

Just to add something about my post.

Because the drag increases with the square of speed it means that power is more valuable to lap time the slower the car is (as long as it is not grip limited of course). Which means that teams generally like to deploy max power at the end of the corner as soon as they are not grip limited and then harvest in the end of the straight (one of the greatest advantages of the hybrid flexibility).

Taking this into account I think it is of no surprise that Ferrari is opening the wastegate at the end of corners, I don't think i is necessarily for wing blowing but more for the signature Clarkson: "MOAR POWER" to get to high speeds the faster possible using the b82rez to power the compressor in that instance and then harvesting more at the end of straights (maybe there is the reason for more mentions of lift and coast from Ferrari).
If the (more aggressive) opening is new from this season I don't think it is due to engine evolution since this is quite a simple idea but mostly thanks to better corner stability that gives them better grip out of the corner which makes it possible to have max power sooner.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Vettel165 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:23 am

Ferrari also with a brand new-front wing, beside the whole new rear wing that was tested in China.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by F1NAC » Tue May 01, 2018 9:10 am

ACcording to AMuS, those 3 spikes on mirror are there because looking from birds eye prospective there is visible asphalt where it shouldn't be. RB complained against that in races before so Ferrari needed to put that.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by GoranF1 » Fri May 11, 2018 5:49 pm

What happend to Kimi?
PU gone?
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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by MtthsMlw » Fri May 11, 2018 6:09 pm

GoranF1 wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 5:49 pm
What happend to Kimi?
PU gone?
Sounded and looked like that but no official statement yet.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by CriXus » Fri May 11, 2018 7:28 pm

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by MtthsMlw » Fri May 11, 2018 7:55 pm

Maybe it wasn't a 'real engine failure'. If it is they will probably change these components for Vettel too. At least last year they did that.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Zynerji » Fri May 11, 2018 9:10 pm

New spec, or identical?

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by LM10 » Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 pm

I don't think the new spec is ready already.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by MtthsMlw » Sat May 12, 2018 9:30 am