2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by Raleigh » Sat May 18, 2019 3:33 am

Manoah2u wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:42 am
Completely out of touch. which is quite frankly what you're seeing in their results.
As in the words of Alonso : 'GP2 car! GP2 car!'
And quite frankly, i think GP2/F2 cars would obliterate the FW42.
Well, not with 620hp anyway, the F2 pole time at Barcelona was a 1:28:031 and Russell did a 1:19:072 in Q1.

Plus, the fastest Williams (Russell) was within a second of the fastest Alfa Romeo (Raikkonen) and the fastest Racing Point (Perez), they are still clear slowest but the margins seem to be coming down.

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by Scorpaguy » Sat May 18, 2019 4:01 am

Manoah2u wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:42 am
There's no official TD, but i'm pretty sure Paddy Lowe has a good contract and they're still having to pay him.
Wow, do you really think so? Surely there was some sort of performance or egregious malfeasance clause...of course I do not have a copy of said contract. I would think that if they were having to pay PL, CW could/would/should retaliate by making public his incompetence. Thus, I assume he agreed to take a small severance package and just disappear...crap the Guy could not even put a crap car on the grid on time ( with ample budgets).

Still, your comment about a lack of news does make me ponder the possibility that PL failed due to the sophomoric bureaucracies at Williams.
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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by Manoah2u » Sat May 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Scorpaguy wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:01 am
Manoah2u wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:42 am
There's no official TD, but i'm pretty sure Paddy Lowe has a good contract and they're still having to pay him.
Wow, do you really think so? Surely there was some sort of performance or egregious malfeasance clause...of course I do not have a copy of said contract. I would think that if they were having to pay PL, CW could/would/should retaliate by making public his incompetence. Thus, I assume he agreed to take a small severance package and just disappear...crap the Guy could not even put a crap car on the grid on time ( with ample budgets).

Still, your comment about a lack of news does make me ponder the possibility that PL failed due to the sophomoric bureaucracies Williams.
that last one is much more probable on hitting the nail on the head.

Lets not forget Paddy's past success. The guy knows what he's doing and is very much capable.
Hell, he had a run at Williams before, successful.
Though he's no Newey, let's for comparisan say he's Schumacher, or you know what, Mansell.
History of brilliant performance, and he gets a seat in a fresh team and can't make an impression,
he slides off the track all the time, and after 1 race decides to call it quits after the people accuse him of having fallen from grace.
would that sound even remotely logical or presumable? i don't think so.

I'd say the same happened with Paddy Lowe.
By the sound of how things work, doesn't really look like paddy is the main problem. If that was the cause, i think things would have went down a bit different to be honest. Sure, he won't get the full fee if things were going well,
but i'm doubtfull they can simply put him on 'hold' or on a leave, after being in a debacle that's out of PL's hands,
and then don't give him a dime. I'd say he either still gets paid a 'small sum' or got a 'there you go' paycheck and walk out the door please. that, or he's going to resume work later on in the year, who knows.

If any, there's been proof of years of incompentence at Williams, not the other way around.

Offcourse though, that's how i see things. :wink:
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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by Manoah2u » Sat May 18, 2019 2:40 pm

Raleigh wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:33 am
Manoah2u wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:42 am
Completely out of touch. which is quite frankly what you're seeing in their results.
As in the words of Alonso : 'GP2 car! GP2 car!'
And quite frankly, i think GP2/F2 cars would obliterate the FW42.
Well, not with 620hp anyway, the F2 pole time at Barcelona was a 1:28:031 and Russell did a 1:19:072 in Q1.

Plus, the fastest Williams (Russell) was within a second of the fastest Alfa Romeo (Raikkonen) and the fastest Racing Point (Perez), they are still clear slowest but the margins seem to be coming down.
oh ok, thanks for the clarification i didn't know the gap was that big though. :oops:
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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by tinvek » Sun May 19, 2019 11:16 am

Raleigh wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:33 am
the fastest Williams (Russell) was within a second of the fastest Alfa Romeo (Raikkonen) and the fastest Racing Point (Perez), they are still clear slowest but the margins seem to be coming down.
it amazes me that this hasn't been picked up by more people and journalists
(do i mean journalists aren't people? you decide )

now it may be a one off result of the track but you could also argue that about mercedes' increased advantage so lets be positive.

new regulations, especially new aero regulations, have always traditionally penalised the (underfunded) teams at the back unless they happen to unlock a hidden advantage / loophole, i just hope williams manage to get themselves into a better position to react when the next regulation change takes effect

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by bosyber » Sun May 19, 2019 1:33 pm

Scorpaguy wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:01 am
Manoah2u wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:42 am
There's no official TD, but i'm pretty sure Paddy Lowe has a good contract and they're still having to pay him.
Wow, do you really think so? Surely there was some sort of performance or egregious malfeasance clause...of course I do not have a copy of said contract. I would think that if they were having to pay PL, CW could/would/should retaliate by making public his incompetence.
That's quite a good way to get a very negative judgement from any labour law court, I'd say.

Also, given stricter than in most countries libel/slander laws in the UK, it could easily lead to a libel/slander suit (depending on whether those are done in writing or in word), which you might believe would be easy to win for Williams, but which will pretty certainly lead to internal situation being subject to review by the court, and possibly subsequently leaking - few businesses would choose that, and given Williams has been tight-lipped about any problems in the team, they surely wouldn't want that.
Scorpaguy wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:01 am
Still, your comment about a lack of news does make me ponder the possibility that PL failed due to the sophomoric bureaucracies at Williams.
Yeah, either that or getting stuck between legacy camps within the team (my opinion), leading to a lot of resistance to actually do what he felt was needed. No argument that he probably wasn't the right man for the job, but as others have said, given the last decade(s) of the team, not sure that's mainly his fault.

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by netoperek » Wed May 22, 2019 10:39 am

Claire said that aero team found a way to unlock some performance. Let's hope they can catch up with the rest of the pack and put the upgrades on both cars this time

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by humble sabot » Sun May 26, 2019 12:26 am

ringo wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:07 am
What gets me at Williams... is how teams like Haas, Torro Rosso and Racing Point make things seem so much easier and organized.
Is Williams missing out on some new model for F1 or something? Why do they seem to insulated to changes in the F1 environment.
To be fair, Williams is the only concern in that pack that is not exclusively a F1 team. They maintain their viability by not focusing their entire economics on the F1 circus, and as mentioned prior they're floating a profitable business at the end of the day.

I'm not sure about that second point. I think it's the total institutional knowledge of how to execute on the latest innovations at a competitive level, since the level is so high and they've admitted to serious correlation issues on aero.
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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by bill shoe » Sun May 26, 2019 1:29 am

Raleigh wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:33 am
Plus, the fastest Williams (Russell) was within a second of the fastest Alfa Romeo (Raikkonen) and the fastest Racing Point (Perez), they are still clear slowest but the margins seem to be coming down.
Damn, I was hoping George would put in a killer lap today in Monaco and maybe outqualy one of the Racing Points or Alfas if they got held up a bit... Williams needs a nip of positive energy from something.

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by netoperek » Sun May 26, 2019 12:56 pm

bill shoe wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 1:29 am
Raleigh wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:33 am
Plus, the fastest Williams (Russell) was within a second of the fastest Alfa Romeo (Raikkonen) and the fastest Racing Point (Perez), they are still clear slowest but the margins seem to be coming down.
Damn, I was hoping George would put in a killer lap today in Monaco and maybe outqualy one of the Racing Points or Alfas if they got held up a bit... Williams needs a nip of positive energy from something.
Russel did put a killer lap. He has been outstanding, used empty track and fresh tires to the max, getting closer to the walls than earlier in the weekend. His best sectors combined would result in 0.007s better laptime. I don't think he could be 0.2s faster even if he went like Kubica in 2010. To be honest I'm surprised he went so risky just to top Robert's time, they had no chance to reach p18, no matter what.
Kubica also put a very good lap, considering 6 laps old tires, though it doesn't matter that much here. Due to traffic there was no chance to get a 3rd stint like George, so he stayed on used, burned some fuel made a bit of space for himself and got a nice, clean lap.

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by SmallSoldier » Sun May 26, 2019 6:13 pm

Hoping that now that Monaco is behind that all those fans saying that Kubica couldn’t race will realize that he is just fine... He may not be doing an exceptional job, but his performance is on par with Russell (which is a great talent) and his disability isn’t handicapping him at all... Glad he finished the race in Monaco (which had to be tough for him).


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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by bosyber » Sun May 26, 2019 6:16 pm

The result in the race is surely the best result for the team this year- Russell ahead of a (dire) Stroll, and the team beating Alfa, by staying in the race and not making mistakes while others did.

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by netoperek » Sun May 26, 2019 7:04 pm

It's a shame that circumstances made it look different, but on the track where many critics suggested he would struggle with his hand, for the first time this season Robert has been better than Russel, who has been not too shabby either. Kimi damaged Roberts front wing on lap one, but the damage have not been bad enough to validate change. Decision not change during SC has been arguably not the wisest, but I get they wanted to diversify and it's not a surprise they play their tactics for George. Giovanazzi's attack happened with Robert on P15 just behind Kimi. After about 20 laps and finally pitting for hards, Robert has been able to register nearly 2s faster laptimes than George, despite "defend mode", then he sped up, gaining 2.6s a lap to the pack. About lap 30ish Kubica has already been doing 1.17.3 ( GR will get to 1.17.5 only at 61st lap iirc), faster than many other drivers on the track at the moment. From team radio, it looked like Robert wanted to gain as much ground before being lapped and then pit for fresh tires instead of loosing time being pushed aside when blue flagged. This didn't happen and worse yet, he had to "go defend" to "do Hamilton" and nurse the tires to the end.
After the race, when asked about strategy calls, he only responded that he always thought that driver in front gets a priority...
Anyways quite good race overall for Williams. At least they got some racing this time. Both drivers drove well and without mistakes, let's just hope the car will get more competitive next round.

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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by Morteza » Sun May 26, 2019 7:57 pm

Fastest pit stop of the race =D>
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Re: 2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

Post by Manoah2u » Mon May 27, 2019 1:12 pm

good to see Williams back on top of their lightning speed pitstops.
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