2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

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Just looked at the results properly and couldn't help but notice that Russell finished ahead of Magnussen. Was that down to legitimate pace or did the Haas have a problem?

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Dipesh1995 wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:20 pm
Just looked at the results properly and couldn't help but notice that Russell finished ahead of Magnussen. Was that down to legitimate pace or did the Haas have a problem?
He had a drive through penalty for wrong positioning on the start. Pretty lame :) He has also been driving rather badly pace-wise.

I haven't watched the onboards yet, but the Polish comentators, which usually are more pro Russels (which is a bit weird), said at one point, that looking at Robert's onboard this race is really saddening. They compared it to that sliding at pitlane in Baku, but all the time, at every corner. Not racing, not cruising, just fighting to survive. Robert also reported power loss at lap 2, which made it even "funnier" for him, sliding from P16 to P19 in next few laps being so much slower on the straights and accelerating off the corner. Strategy to pit him earlier and putting him just before the entire field to be lapped has been another spark of genius from Williams. They kept Russel longer and he had like 20 more laps in clear. In an interview Robert said he thinks the "strategy" was to help defend George's position from Magnussen.
It looked like a really solid race from George. Good start from pitlane, clean race, good pace.

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:50 pm
F1 has moved way on from the type of orgnasation he was sucessfull in
Exactly why straight operators like Patrick Head, Frank Dernie, Adrian Newey and so on who know the full spectrum of F1 engineering from race engineering to car design to aerodynamics are so valuable. Otherwise the modern day specialists, who only know one department, can get lost and not see the wood for the trees. :)

This interview with Frank Dernie is very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWRQDbB0EJU

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I’ve done a lot of analysis of RK vs GR. it is easy to see where RK is losing time - he’s taking different lines that limit is apex and exit speeds, which screw him for subsequent straights.

Is that due to the car? I’ve compared them with RK’s earlier F1 career and find his lines essentially the same then as now, whereas GR is driving it seems to the car he has.

Now that may be because there’s something about GR’s car that’s different. Or it may be because RK is unable or unwilling to adapt. Recently in an interview RK was asked if he watched GR’s onboards to find where time was being lost and dismissed it with a “I know what I’m doing” comment...

As to why Williams might hobble RK? How long is GR’s contract? If GR looks like the second coming, might he be valuable to trade for cash / engines / etc?

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skwdenyer wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:04 am
I’ve done a lot of analysis of RK vs GR. it is easy to see where RK is losing time - he’s taking different lines that limit is apex and exit speeds, which screw him for subsequent straights.

Is that due to the car? I’ve compared them with RK’s earlier F1 career and find his lines essentially the same then as now, whereas GR is driving it seems to the car he has.

Now that may be because there’s something about GR’s car that’s different. Or it may be because RK is unable or unwilling to adapt. Recently in an interview RK was asked if he watched GR’s onboards to find where time was being lost and dismissed it with a “I know what I’m doing” comment...

As to why Williams might hobble RK? How long is GR’s contract? If GR looks like the second coming, might he be valuable to trade for cash / engines / etc?
Good points. Robert has been asked about the lines and why doesn't take same lines as George by one of Polish journalists (unfortunately it has been some time ago and I can't remember where I read it :( ) and he answered, that he tries to do so every now and then, but just can't keep same lines with his car. Sometimes he can push harder, but his tires die in few laps after that.

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Beginning of the race from Sainz perspective:


Robert's car looks quite unstable

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a bit more on a subject of why Robert can't do George's lines and pace. He's already on the limit of his car.

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netoperek wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:38 am
a bit more on a subject of why Robert can't do George's lines and pace. He's already on the limit of his car.
https://streamable.com/l5hcz
Any reason behind this? because from the outside it looks that Robert is simply slow now, which sadly could put him out of the team in 2020. :oops:

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You don't notice any difference in the behaviour of these cars? I don't know... stability? required steering input, sometimes even on a freakin straight? I'm not an expert in driving an F1 car obviously, so I might be wrong, but if it is similar to a car or a kart it looks like he's not far from loosing the car and You can't really go much further than that. If You have to counter that many times on turn in and on the corner to keep more less smooth line (for instance like in around 3 minutes mark), then this car drives like --- in my book.

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Looks to me like they just didn't find the corrrect Setup for Roberts Car. Dunno if Robert likes more twitchy Cars.
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netoperek wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:05 am
You don't notice any difference in the behaviour of these cars? I don't know... stability? required steering input, sometimes even on a freakin straight? I'm not an expert in driving an F1 car obviously, so I might be wrong, but if it is similar to a car or a kart it looks like he's not far from loosing the car and You can't really go much further than that. If You have to counter that many times on turn in and on the corner to keep more less smooth line (for instance like in around 3 minutes mark), then this car drives like --- in my book.
Read my post. I see the difference I have just asked the reason behind this behaviour.

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Maybe too much of this "F1 TEAM W​ILLIAMS BUILT THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRACTOR" https://drivetribe.com/p/f1-team-willia ... NkeEA18S7Q transferred over to their F1 car ;)

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I think it's become painfully clear that Robert is not the same driver. If he was he would not have been rejected by Renault.

The pitlane thing was a warning that you could let slide as one mistake, but the guy just can't get the car turned into corners.

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Vasconia wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:02 pm
netoperek wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:05 am
You don't notice any difference in the behaviour of these cars? I don't know... stability? required steering input, sometimes even on a freakin straight? I'm not an expert in driving an F1 car obviously, so I might be wrong, but if it is similar to a car or a kart it looks like he's not far from loosing the car and You can't really go much further than that. If You have to counter that many times on turn in and on the corner to keep more less smooth line (for instance like in around 3 minutes mark), then this car drives like --- in my book.
Read my post. I see the difference I have just asked the reason behind this behaviour.
Sorry, I misunderstood Your post. Well Williams says the cars are the same... George suggested that maybe Robert can't understand the engineers (lol) :roll:

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munudeges wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:58 pm
I think it's become painfully clear that Robert is not the same driver. If he was he would not have been rejected by Renault.

The pitlane thing was a warning that you could let slide as one mistake, but the guy just can't get the car turned into corners.
Is that serious or sarcastic?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13172 ... en-changes thats the sole reason why Robert has been rejected by Renault.