2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Big Tea » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:54 pm

Singabule wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:18 am
After destroying 1 chassis and several wings and floor, i worry the development will be nowhere compared to other midfield team. Also from PU side, expect several time penalties. However at least they have 2 good driver, but Dani is prone to mistake and Albon is still very green, so I think STR can not go higher than 8th in championship. Hope Im wrong
I suspect they will be used to trial any 'engine improvements' before using them in the boss team, which is good for position, but involves the risk if Honda go to the edge knowing it is being tried in STR first.
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:40 pm

With google translate.
Honda must also quickly investigate the cause of the trouble that occurred in the power unit of Toro Rosso's Daneil Kubiat car during free practice on Friday.

It is said that an abnormal sensor value was detected in the data and it was replaced, but it is known that "the level is not sufficient for simple sensor replacement" (Tanabe Technical Director) and that major components are damaged. It seems that you are understand.

Although the power unit was removed from the machine and maintained on Friday afternoon, it will be on Wednesday for arrival at HRD Sakura due to customs clearance. The next week, Tuesday morning, the next Baku will have to bring the power unit to London's airport, so there will be virtually no days available for action.
https://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/mot ... ndex_4.php

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by McMika98 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:43 pm

According to multiple trackside accounts the engine did go puff, Mark Hughes is one of them. Hopefully they can still recover other components but the main engine appears to have gone kaput.

About Baku, the track might suit the car lot more if they can extract most out of the tyres. Havent got the full telemetry data but the car appears to be faster than RedBull on slow corners and much better on straights.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by HondaPOD » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:33 pm

McMika98 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:43 pm
According to multiple trackside accounts the engine did go puff, Mark Hughes is one of them. Hopefully they can still recover other components but the main engine appears to have gone kaput.

About Baku, the track might suit the car lot more if they can extract most out of the tyres. Havent got the full telemetry data but the car appears to be faster than RedBull on slow corners and much better on straights.
I just watched the FP1 onboard camera. In fact, we can hear an awful noise coming from the PU, that means problem with the PU. Kvyat starts to lose power in the straight. The pit wall ask him to return back to the pit the lap after.
Maybe not ended yet. it can be injectors problems.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by 1158 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:54 pm

I was watching and noticed that sound too, but then in the race it sounded the same. Almost like the microphone on the car was messed up. It sounded a lot rougher and more broken up than it should. It was really weird.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by GhostF1 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:27 am

They mention it being a sensor providing a strange value. They had sensor issues in practice for Australia on Gasly's car. He reported losing power and he came into the pits. They changed the sensor and the engine was fine for the rest of the weekend, and he is still using that PU.
That article sounds like Tanabe is implying Kvyat had the same issue (sensor showing a strange value) but he drove with the issue for too long and possibly caused terminal damage.
If it's traceable to a sensor that isn't the worst scenario. Although, I guess a failure is a failure and if that happened during the race, it would be race ending.

As for which sensors cop a lot of abuse where they can fail.. possibly a combustion chamber pressure sensor?

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Big Tea » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:43 pm

There are of course sensors that just report value, and sensors that act on the information received.
Bad input from a sensor can really screw things up even if there is no actual damage.
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by loner » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:39 pm

so more 20 hp in Baku and rumor is another 30 hp in the first PU upgrade.. if true bode well for my prediction that STR will be best of the rest .. Albon did decent show already in china.
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by McMika98 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:15 pm

Toro rosso should do very well in Baku if they can get the tyres working. High hopes for a massive points haul.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:22 pm

A great analysis from Joylon Palmer of the Kvyat vs McLaren crash.


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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by ispano6 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:42 pm

Wouter wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:22 pm
A great analysis from Joylon Palmer of the Kvyat vs McLaren crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWx91r ... r_embedded
Yup, just as I thought as well. I find it pretty knee jerk of the F1 stewards to so quickly take two penalty points from Kvyat's license. He wasn't even being the overly aggressive one in this incident, that was the McLaren boys, but I guess in the end they all paid for it with STR coming out on top with Albons superb drive.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by ME4ME » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:11 pm

etusch wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:33 pm
https://youtu.be/szlbHEK8Ook
Mission helpnow like someone said in the comments :lol:
Respect to Seb and the team for this though. Very classy.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Sieper » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:12 am

Allthough it was Seb himself who simply drove passed the mandatory weighing and had to be pushed back by his pitcrew. The STR had to stand still waiting his turn very long due to that. As a consequence due to no fault of of his own his brakes Caught fire.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:44 am

Albon and Kvyat will get a 3th ICE in Baku.

This weekend, we will introduce the Spec 2 version of our internal combustion engine (ICE) across all four cars right from the start of the weekend. One of the reasons for bringing it to this race is that we found that Kvyat’s PU problem in China was down to a quality control issue. The main benefits of Spec 2 are improved durability and life and better reliability. It also offers a slight improvement in performance.