2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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They've new ES and CE. Maybe some new mapping that needs a new ECU?? If not, I can't see why they are changing so soon the CE

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Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:25 pm
IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:07 am
@ Slo Poke - Obviously you have something in mind about this "diff magic"mode and " the newer toy behind him sitting in the differential". Can you explain me technically what you think this new toy consists of?
IvailoStefanovBG:
Sorry for any delay. I swear, I’ve only this morning spotted my user name within your comment. Anyways, I do have something in mind concerning diff magic, however I don’t have to think because I actually know. First off, I really don’t want to plaster it on here as yet but I shall in the near future, so please be patient.
In the meantime here’s something for you to ponder on. There’s quite a little menagerie within differentials as you’ll know. Thing is, no matter how instantaneous all the different makers claim their differential is there’s a damned fly that all too often gets in there. Mercedes have found a way to spur one of the full time residents to chase it away. Which resident do you suppose it was; the spider the worm or the dog?
Spider would be spider gear in a conventional diff? Worm would be spur/worm gears from a Torsen style diff? To my knowledge it's the only 'instantaneous' diff out there, dog, that one is stumping me at the moment. That wouldn't be clutched diff would it?

Now if you're waywardly implying Mercedes has some kind of hybrid torsen diff thing going on that would be interesting.
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godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:48 pm
Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:25 pm
IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:07 am
@ Slo Poke - Obviously you have something in mind about this "diff magic"mode and " the newer toy behind him sitting in the differential". Can you explain me technically what you think this new toy consists of?
IvailoStefanovBG:
Sorry for any delay. I swear, I’ve only this morning spotted my user name within your comment. Anyways, I do have something in mind concerning diff magic, however I don’t have to think because I actually know. First off, I really don’t want to plaster it on here as yet but I shall in the near future, so please be patient.
In the meantime here’s something for you to ponder on. There’s quite a little menagerie within differentials as you’ll know. Thing is, no matter how instantaneous all the different makers claim their differential is there’s a damned fly that all too often gets in there. Mercedes have found a way to spur one of the full time residents to chase it away. Which resident do you suppose it was; the spider the worm or the dog?
Spider would be spider gear in a conventional diff? Worm would be spur/worm gears from a Torsen style diff? To my knowledge it's the only 'instantaneous' diff out there, dog, that one is stumping me at the moment. That wouldn't be clutched diff would it?

Now if you're waywardly implying Mercedes has some kind of hybrid torsen diff thing going on that would be interesting.
A clutch in the differential, with all the trouble Bottas had in China! Ooh, I think that’s something to be avoided at all costs. Although on the other hand that mishap does make Mr. Bottas absolutely unique in the World and that’s something to write home about.
The first man on the planet to experience multiple double rubber stress wave release at lights-out! Heck! That’s almost as finely tuned as Alonso’s grab at a fishtail through corner four Barca’.

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Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:46 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:48 pm
Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:25 pm


IvailoStefanovBG:
Sorry for any delay. I swear, I’ve only this morning spotted my user name within your comment. Anyways, I do have something in mind concerning diff magic, however I don’t have to think because I actually know. First off, I really don’t want to plaster it on here as yet but I shall in the near future, so please be patient.
In the meantime here’s something for you to ponder on. There’s quite a little menagerie within differentials as you’ll know. Thing is, no matter how instantaneous all the different makers claim their differential is there’s a damned fly that all too often gets in there. Mercedes have found a way to spur one of the full time residents to chase it away. Which resident do you suppose it was; the spider the worm or the dog?
Spider would be spider gear in a conventional diff? Worm would be spur/worm gears from a Torsen style diff? To my knowledge it's the only 'instantaneous' diff out there, dog, that one is stumping me at the moment. That wouldn't be clutched diff would it?

Now if you're waywardly implying Mercedes has some kind of hybrid torsen diff thing going on that would be interesting.
A clutch in the differential, with all the trouble Bottas had in China! Ooh, I think that’s something to be avoided at all costs. Although on the other hand that mishap does make Mr. Bottas absolutely unique in the World and that’s something to write home about.
The first man on the planet to experience multiple double rubber stress wave release at lights-out! Heck! That’s almost as finely tuned as Alonso’s grab at a fishtail through corner four Barca’.
'multiple double rubber stress wave release', that's quite a mouthful, time to get the ol' noggin a joggin. You talking about standing waves in the tires off the line? Like the kind dragsters have due to low tire pressure?
The height of cultivation is really nothing special. It is merely simplicity; the ability to express the utmost with the minimum. Mr.Lee

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godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:12 pm
Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:46 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:48 pm


Spider would be spider gear in a conventional diff? Worm would be spur/worm gears from a Torsen style diff? To my knowledge it's the only 'instantaneous' diff out there, dog, that one is stumping me at the moment. That wouldn't be clutched diff would it?

Now if you're waywardly implying Mercedes has some kind of hybrid torsen diff thing going on that would be interesting.
A clutch in the differential, with all the trouble Bottas had in China! Ooh, I think that’s something to be avoided at all costs. Although on the other hand that mishap does make Mr. Bottas absolutely unique in the World and that’s something to write home about.
The first man on the planet to experience multiple double rubber stress wave release at lights-out! Heck! That’s almost as finely tuned as Alonso’s grab at a fishtail through corner four Barca’.
'multiple double rubber stress wave release', that's quite a mouthful, time to get the ol' noggin a joggin. You talking about standing waves in the tires off the line? Like the kind dragsters have due to low tire pressure?
I think he wants to say you are right. They are using clutched differential. But is it allowed to use clutched diff?

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It's becoming a habit now for RBR to make mistakes on the pit wall. They definitely not the slick team they were which is important to take advantage of opportunities. They seriously need to turn things around

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Gasly should have spotted Verstappen from miles away, not helping his cause for keeping the seat. Outside top 10 with decent running, he might not make Q3.

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godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:12 pm
Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:46 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:48 pm


Spider would be spider gear in a conventional diff? Worm would be spur/worm gears from a Torsen style diff? To my knowledge it's the only 'instantaneous' diff out there, dog, that one is stumping me at the moment. That wouldn't be clutched diff would it?

Now if you're waywardly implying Mercedes has some kind of hybrid torsen diff thing going on that would be interesting.
A clutch in the differential, with all the trouble Bottas had in China! Ooh, I think that’s something to be avoided at all costs. Although on the other hand that mishap does make Mr. Bottas absolutely unique in the World and that’s something to write home about.
The first man on the planet to experience multiple double rubber stress wave release at lights-out! Heck! That’s almost as finely tuned as Alonso’s grab at a fishtail through corner four Barca’.
'multiple double rubber stress wave release', that's quite a mouthful, time to get the ol' noggin a joggin. You talking about standing waves in the tires off the line? Like the kind dragsters have due to low tire pressure?
Godlameroso/IvailoStefanovBG:
Potato - potAto, Tomato - tomAto standing and stress! Either way, no clutch involved.

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From my understanding gasly was doing lots of testing and not going for times

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carisi2k wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:27 am
From my understanding gasly was doing lots of testing and not going for times
I watched the replay with teamradio and it seems it's just an amateur mistake of Pierre. They need to switch him soon. Not fast enough and making stupid mistakes the whole season.
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Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:26 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:12 pm
Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:46 pm


A clutch in the differential, with all the trouble Bottas had in China! Ooh, I think that’s something to be avoided at all costs. Although on the other hand that mishap does make Mr. Bottas absolutely unique in the World and that’s something to write home about.
The first man on the planet to experience multiple double rubber stress wave release at lights-out! Heck! That’s almost as finely tuned as Alonso’s grab at a fishtail through corner four Barca’.
'multiple double rubber stress wave release', that's quite a mouthful, time to get the ol' noggin a joggin. You talking about standing waves in the tires off the line? Like the kind dragsters have due to low tire pressure?
Godlameroso/IvailoStefanovBG:
Potato - potAto, Tomato - tomAto standing and stress! Either way, no clutch involved.
So if no "slipper" clutch, a dual diff?

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carisi2k wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:27 am
From my understanding gasly was doing lots of testing and not going for times
Based on the track footage he was going off the track or locking up his tyres, so much so that Dr Marko wants to discount his long run pace which was worse than some midfield team.

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I predict he's gonna go in history as one of the worst RBR drivers, if not in the whole grid. What a terrible choice they made...

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McMika98 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:12 am
carisi2k wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:27 am
From my understanding gasly was doing lots of testing and not going for times
Based on the track footage he was going off the track or locking up his tyres, so much so that Dr Marko wants to discount his long run pace which was worse than some midfield team.
Doesn't this also shows something about the drivability of the RB15 with a low downforce setup? Or is the track just slippery and Gasly is cracking under pressure?

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ispano6 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:54 am
Slo Poke wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:26 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:12 pm


'multiple double rubber stress wave release', that's quite a mouthful, time to get the ol' noggin a joggin. You talking about standing waves in the tires off the line? Like the kind dragsters have due to low tire pressure?
Godlameroso/IvailoStefanovBG:
Potato - potAto, Tomato - tomAto standing and stress! Either way, no clutch involved.
So if no "slipper" clutch, a dual diff?
Ispano6:
Dual diff..? I really didn’t know that such a thing even existed. Thank you for that my Friend, I’m gonna look that one up.