2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by McMika98 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 pm

gokarter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:33 pm
just had a read, it seems the new upgrade rear wing was only present on gasly car giving him more downforce than max. no wonder max pace was slower than gaslys
Max messed up his soft tyre run, his fastest time was on mediums on first stint. He didn't improve laptime on softer tyre as he went off few times.

Pace wise Merc is nearly a second quicker than anyone in race pace. Merc 1 2 gauranteed. Ferrai might be slower.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by gokarter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:00 pm

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/tech ... e/4492682/
its mentioned here. not sure if that extra downforce made the difference. but suprising gasly is quicker than max

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by godlameroso » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:03 pm

Looking at the long runs, it seems Mercedes is back to normal and out of reach. Might have enough pace to bother the Ferraris.

Gasly is closer to Verstappen so far, which is looking good for him. Verstappen may be sand bagging though, if he keeps his normal advantage then they're still a few tenths off the Mercedes as Hamilton and Bottas could do mid 30's in their long runs, and Gasly and Verstappen can only do mid to low 31's.

Of course setup could change for tomorrow, and we don't know fuel levels or engine modes which can muddy things.
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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:10 pm

Can Max use old spec fore fp sessions?

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:12 pm

Wouter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:04 pm
ME4ME wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:42 pm
Wouter wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:12 pm

Gasly to Formula E because he isn't as good as Max? #-o
Why the facepalm? Not at all a crazy suggestion from Etusch. Vandoorne being the prime example of the fate of an underdelivering driver after being destroyed by Alonso - and he had an even more impressive junior resume.

If Gasly is not good enough for F1 and then has to go to the FE, then at least 10 drivers can also leave for the FE.
Gasly had to drive a swabbing RB15 and he was unable to do so.
The RB15 runs very stable with the new updates.
I hope that Gasly in his 2nd year, with little experience, can show that he is quite a good driver.
Whether he is good enough for a top team remains to be seen, but otherwise he is good enough for a middle team
and he really does not need to go to the FE.

And by the way .... My opinion is that Stoffel is a very good driver and certainly belongs in F1.

The #-o was perhaps a bit exaggerated. Sorry for that @Etusch.
It is ok man. No problem.
In fact I was expecting much more from him and a bit upset because of that. So he lost all my faith on him. But I will be very happy if he did well from now on which I don't expect .

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Sieper » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:19 pm

It would indeed be weird Etusch, agreed. I did expect (preseason) that Gasly could challenge in the qually. So far an almost no show.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by mclaren113 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:29 pm

etusch wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:10 pm
Can Max use old spec fore fp sessions?
He can use whatever he wants in FP

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Sieper » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:06 pm

Problem is that the spec 2.0 unit was send to Sakura after the FP2 crash in Austria and nobody knows If it is back yet (still ok for use). If not Max was running his current race engine today.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by nzjrs » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:58 pm

Sieper wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:06 pm
Problem is that the spec 2.0 unit was send to Sakura after the FP2 crash in Austria and nobody knows If it is back yet (still ok for use). If not Max was running his current race engine today.
I believe there is no chance one runs race engines (or gearboxes) on Friday if there are any other options in the pool
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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Stef » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:21 am

Or he could use the spec 1 engine, it was not damaged, I think.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Marti_EF3 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:09 pm

Gasly is on full Mode 11 this weekend :lol:

He managed to be only 0.2 down on the Ferraris and Hamilton. We will see when the Q modes kick in, but that's much better than I was expecting yesterday. And some rain can turn things exciting. But definetely seems the whole package (Honda and RBR) is finally delivering seriously =D> :mrgreen:

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Justthatek » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:18 pm

Marti_EF3 wrote:Gasly is on full Mode 11 this weekend Image

He managed to be only 0.2 down on the Ferraris and Hamilton. We will see when the Q modes kick in, but that's much better than I was expecting yesterday. And some rain can turn things exciting. But definetely seems the whole package (Honda and RBR) is finally delivering seriously =D> :mrgreen:
Shows how awful he was at trying to set the car up before switching to Max's setup for this weekend.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by SF Engineer » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:49 pm

Justthatek wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:18 pm
Marti_EF3 wrote:Gasly is on full Mode 11 this weekend Image

He managed to be only 0.2 down on the Ferraris and Hamilton. We will see when the Q modes kick in, but that's much better than I was expecting yesterday. And some rain can turn things exciting. But definetely seems the whole package (Honda and RBR) is finally delivering seriously =D> :mrgreen:
Shows how awful he was at trying to set the car up before switching to Max's setup for this weekend.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:00 pm

Sieper wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:06 pm
Problem is that the spec 2.0 unit was send to Sakura after the FP2 crash in Austria and nobody knows If it is back yet (still ok for use). If not Max was running his current race engine today.
I thought this one didn't sent to sacura because of it is just a fp engine anyway

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:01 pm

Gasly is still fast and this gives me hope that Max can have shoot for pole.